Exactly. Makes total sense. Same aircraft types, HND, an HNL base that NWA used to have....and 300 or so pilots. The SLI would be a no brainer. Be a lot cheaper and make more sense than an AS merger. It would suck for their heritage and company culture....but lots of heritage and company culture is going by the way these days.

Each merger is different. DOH may work for some, relative for others. Then you have various methods like pull and plug for retirements or one top heavy group versus another, zippering the list in whole or starting at a specific point, a staple or any combination.

You could pull and plug a given amount, zipper a given amount, blend an amount with relative and then staple a certain amount, all in the same merger. Then there's fences and freezes as well. Everyone will tout their "gold standard" which will be whatever serves them the best. That is why they almost always go to arbitration.

DL and NW were much, much closer across the board than DL and HI would be on many seniority related issues. I would expect DALPA to resist a full on relative integration with all available resources, just as I would expect HALPA to "go for it" because hey, why not?

550, going on 600+

And every new hire class vaults the class a month junior up over 1000 DL numbers? No way.

I stand corrected, however they are bringing on both the bottom category at DL and a high category. All the 717 slots that they bring I argue should go stove piped at the bottom of the list. Megapoodle slots rightfully so should go senior. Regardless, that is less than 6% of our current list sprinkled around.


+717

I'd say if we merge with HAL since there are 556 pilots, date of hire would be better and the same with AK since they have 1432 pilots and their retirements are close to ours. Plus with all the new hires both have, relative seniority would hit the DAL junior guys yet again. But then again, I'm a West Coast guy that would like to fly out of SEA sometime before I retire in the next 15-20 years, so I'm a bit bias....

How would we DOH with an airline if our list isnt DOH? The original DL list wasn't even DOH to begin with...

SEA 7ERB went wayyy junior... how far down the list are you?

I think if we end up merging with HAL, we should implement the "Southwest Effect" to seniority integration!

1) Offer POS seniority list integration offer, (if that fails):rolleyes:

2) Offer even greater POS SLI offer, (with fear of that failing):rolleyes:

3) Threaten to cause dissolution of the subsidiary airline if not accepted. (Proverbial gun to the head):mad:

GJ

P.S. All above statements T.I.C. for how I really feel we should integrate HAL if a merger were to come to fruition.

Agreed!! :D

They should be happy to be a part of Delta and accept whatever scraps we decide to give them. Puppies shall be sacrificed (since WN has the market cornered on kittens) in front of Anderson to show their allegiance to the widget.

I say we give them.....

Free Hats!

Timbo, we'll give them free uniforms! JG shot down the HA rumor in AMS which makes me think it's gonna happen. Look at where they go out of HNL, Seoul, Tahiti, SYD, HND, MNL, JFK, Brisbane, and Auckland about to start.