LOL. Saw another like that one, except the license said BEATS.

So, Virginia beats kids first. Seems about right.:D

Any bets on how long the 717's stay on the inter-island flying after a merger?

I agree - a lot of angst over something that may, or may never be. As far as the junior HA guys currently holding the 330, that would not matter to us at all.

When you merge based on relative seniority it has to do with how many total seat positions that they bring to the table. For example regarding the 330, the pertinent number is the number of 330A and 330B positions they have. What each individual Pilot bids for or currently holds is totally irrelevant.

Scoop

Nice blog entry about Delta. Enjoying some good press:

Legacy airlines United and American fail to learn from old mistakes - The Business Journals

Oh?? Hmmmmm look at the post directly above yours. Looks to me like they are a global carrier too.

The only other solution I might see would be some kind of DOHish type solution with large fences protecting them in HI. Since the fences we currently have were retarded to begin with and really didn't protect anybody, I am not sure that is a good solution either. Somebody is gonna win, and somebody is gonna lose, even if it is to a small degree.. they will win. I would imagine that the super premium seniority will be protected and a ratio of sorts below that will ensue. The interesting thing will be that since there is such a disparity in their fleet size... big... and very small.. it will not be a consistent ratio throughout the list. The bottom guys on OUR list will probably feel the most pain, but since there are only 500+/- of them.. it won't be all that bad..

JMHO

Fire away

Well, HI isn't deep into BK and argueably about to liquidate. And HALPA won't likely waive their scope and M&A language, nor will ALPA and independant lawyers they hire advise them to, nor will DALPA/DL/RA ask them to as a precondition of the merger. And even if aaaaaaaaaaaaaall that happened anyway, the TWA pattern still has the top seniority tier zippered into the top of the DL list just like the top tier of TWA was with the AA list.

Anyway I'm not advocating for a staple of the entire pilot group. All I'm saying is that many things should be taken into account and in no way should DALPA facilitate every new hire class jumping up 1 or 2000 numbers just because they ran another new hire class just prior to the merger date. IMO 100% of first and second year HI pilots should be stapled (especially with their horrendously low pay) the rest can be zippered in starting at the 330 level or slightly lower if we add in some base locks for them. Some HI pilots would end up quite high on the list, and that's fine.

And maybe (probably) they will force it to arbitration anyway. That's fine, that's how it works. But DALPA shouldn't just roll over and accept a full on relative windfall, especially for 1st and 2nd year pilots that would be insane. DALPA has an obligation to fight for current DALPA pilots and I would expect them to do that. If the end result of an arbitrated award is "unfair" then oh well.

I guess you never heard of "no bump no flush."

The TWA treatment is only reserved for AMR.

HAL, well, give or take some of their guys will win very big and that's just the way it is when we've determined relative seniority is the way.

I figured there would always be a need for narrowbody island flying, and I don't see much of that flying being upsized. It can't all go to RJ's and D-8's. Can it?

We have WB FO's that are now flying with captains hired after them. Doesn't seem to be a problem.


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