Originally Posted by EF77 (Post 1272613)

Yes, that's the site. Always solid info.

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble (Post 1272542)

If these candidates that bother you so much are "navel gazing", then why do you spend time/energy on them?

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1272594)

DALPA's rabid marketing of C2012 and rationalization of "where it went" followed by subsequent prolonged stagnation is the most recent.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1272532)

I'm sure you can model rate increases using your methodology...someplace...right?

At DragonCon maybe?;)

Here in the real world we should be looking at real world results. At the time of our TA we were the second least efficient pilot group in the majors (only AMR was lower). There are plenty of sources for that info. Maybe you can talk of the outsourced/surplused pilots at those more efficient properties? Then take a look at our rates in that light.

SWAPA's amendable date was a month ago. How are their negotiations going?

Instead of looking at threats to our careers and opportunities for our advancement we have a bunch of people, including several candidates for office, focused on belly button lint. They're calling for "consensus" while advocating a position taken by the minority in the last TA. In other words there'll only be "consensus" when it's done their way. They're arguing for "consensus" and calling for political election of the MEC Chair. They're doing the same for committee chairs. Really?

How does any of that improve the pay, benefits, working conditions and job security of the Delta pilots? How many line pilots actually give a crap about these "issues?"

I don't know if anybody has announced for C81. In C20 there have only been 2 candidates announced for Capt and 1 for FO rep. In ATL there were 4 Capt candidates and 5 FO candidates for nomination. That's not exactly an outpouring of angst among councils representing over 6000 pilots. Yet I look at candidates that send out 5 letters saying there's too much to talk about, yet repeat the same thing in each letter...no meat. I see very few focusing on the issues of the majority...ya know the pay, benefits, working conditions and retirement of the pilots. I see a lot of navel gazing.

So I hope you do enjoy your rate increases. Should your point of view ever win the day, I'll hold you to the same standard that the minority currently holds those doing our work. And I sincerely hope they can prove me wrong and not be the failures that others that have tried the path they advocate have been.

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1272589)

Are you saying that following policy and improving pay, benefits and working conditions are mutually exclusive?

Originally Posted by roadrunner65 (Post 1272651)

Where are the DTW 737 rumors coming from? I didn't glean much about it happening from any of the "updates." It certainly makes more sense than having a DC9 category here. I still can't understand why they aren't all crewed out of ATL now. Only 7 DC9 departures per day out of DTW, and there's even a 5 day trip in the package with EVERY layover in ATL! I didn't count them all, but just looking at the layovers in Nov for the 9, easily over 50% are in ATL.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1272616)

I think there is a way for you to join council 20 if it is more regionally beneficial for you.:eek:

Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1272584)

76drvr, I think it's easy to choose how to vote. If a candidate's focus is on the MEC Policy Manual, it won't be on pay, working conditions, and benefits.