14-5
94% turnout.
62%-38%
Every single council in favor.

This is gerrymadering? Really? It looks to me like your point of view lost a whole series of democratic elections.

I'd prefer everyone be up front to. Isn't this predicting a repeat of DTW last cycle?

If the result doesn't come out the way you want, will it be gerrymandered?:p

Tough to collect a check when you and your union burn your company to the ground. American Airlines was recently ranked the most likely company to not exist at the end of 2013. Why? Because the pilots hated management and they've ruined the brand.

We are never going to agree on this so we may as well give it a breather and agree to disagree. You won this round and can backwards engineer your democratic victory . As to the last DTW cycle I'm confused by your comment. Don't recall any stealth candidates?

So how do you fix the majority of pilots not really caring? I don't care that its instructive. We got sold. So what? What more was there to gain? Unless you're RA or GH you don't make the decisions that drive any pilot hiring, so your theory that preexisting conditions would be honored after the fact is where you may need some instruction.

Doesn't matter what ALPA says, or what the company says. My instruction leads me to believe you would have voted no if we'd been given FDX+5%. Well within your right but its weird that the vocal minority still can't sell their idealism, isn't it?

And what about management hating the pilots? Interesting as a union member you, and our MEC regulars seem biased to blame the pilots. There is always more to the story. I'm sure the APA will never want to join ALPA after the trashing they've received from DALPA and Moak, but then we have to have a boogeyman to rationalize our engagement that is too far in the other direction.

That's not really true, but putting the vitriol aside for a moment, what exactly should "we" do about it?

So I'll ask you the same question that I asked dragon. What is it you want "us" to do about it?

The pilots did exactly what they threatened to do. We may not write the schedules but we're the primary revenue generators at Delta. We're solely in control of the plane that makes the money. Management understands that here and has given us the tools and infrastructure to make them money.

So of course there's more to the story. I don't blame pilots for American's demise either. Not sure where you got that. They did all they could to make American viable, and when management there crossed the line, they'd had enough and they ground the operation to a halt. Good for them.

Being a union member doesn't remove my ability to think critically for myself.

We could reduce DCI capacity by over 15%, reduce DCI jets by over 200 and add dozens of mainline aircraft to pick up the capacity shortfall.:D

Good question.

I'll try to put down what I think would work, but will avoid a DYP offense and wait till the morning. Have enjoyed the OU game, the GT game not so much but loving the SC beat down of UGA.