Bama will kill Oregon.

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Sorry dalad... it's just funny.


Now WIN THAT DAMNED COCKTAIL PARTY wouldya?

Don't mistake some complaining for 4 days straight meaning they were gleefully happy about the TA. Many of us did vote no and are trying to pick up from there and be happy at work and make the most of it.

Not pointed at you but some also forget that many yes voters felt they had no other choice and were not happy in feeling backed into a yes vote.

Like I said though I am trying to stay ahead of the plane here and keeping my eyes on the future. I am very junior and in many peoples opinion also young enough to start over but have no desire to leave the mothership. I plan on trying to find the good in what we have and try to have a good time while I'm at work. (shhh don't tell my wife). :cool:

Hi Sailor,

My "agenda" is very simple: Represent the will of the Delta pilots, while giving them their greatest opportunities to keep safe, secure, and home to their families after work. My personal vote was no on the contract. I threw it out there not to reflect my vote, but to embolden and underscore the part that says our contract is emplaced and it is time to move on to the next deal. While doing this, we need to keep our in house issues tidy and working for the pilots. Others call that picking at lint in your navel, and I disagree. My feelings are that we are not doing a good job of certain things, and it is reflected in the communication, or lack thereof, emanating from our leadership. You'd think, judging from the posters coming out of the woodwork, that some of us are looking to burn the place down. Nothing could be further from the truth. ALPA is a bottom-up organization, and some of us have seen examples of not honoring that intended path.

I am not sure what you mean about the will of ALPA not being correct, nor how everyone you have flown with is not unhappy with the contract, yet we are still at a 70/30 split. Feel free to explain or give me a shout if you wish. I am about to head north again, in an attempt to figure out these antiquated round guages for another week, so my allotted time on here will be nil. I will be on my phone, though.

You're putting words in mine and others mouths'. Even the hesitant yes voters have been pleased with the results. Maybe what I'm seeing is anomalous but you're insinuating that people are talking out of both sides of their mouths without provocation (I don't bring up the PWA in the flight deck - what they've said are their own words, and sure - my interpretation, but they've all been positive commenters).

So I'm pretty sure you've fallen into the trap of the pack mentality on this web board. There are no black helicopters associated with people being truly happy coming to work at Delta Air Lines.

or sailor, those who voted no have the maturity to move on and hope for the best despite the fear we'll need fewer pilots going forward and of course concerned of the precedence of buying our own jets by giving the company the larger and more profitable regional jets they wanted.

We are a risk averse group (pilots) by nature, and the known is always safer than the unknown. That and it is human nature to make the best of a choice you've made as well as rationalize your decision. All manipulated masterfully by OM and those who decided certain parameters of the TA ahead of the game. When those parameters were met we had a TA and when they knew it might not sit well with the MEC they played it by putting them and the pilots in the position of having to shoot it down knowing full well neither fNWA nor fDAL ever shot down a TA or MEMRAT. The parameters that were supposedly set by the pilots and MEC became aspirational. Well played by the front office. Democracy? Kind of. Could we have done better? Absolutely.

No black helicopters or swans, just heavy handed politics. I think they need to make a Game of Throwns, MEC edition ;)

here's the thing, to say 100% of the guys who said yes did so because they read the TA, realized it was the greatest thing ever and thus voted yes is disengenious.

id have no trouble whatsoever finding posts that said if you don't vote for this all hell will break loose. the company will go to plan b which is retribution for our slap in the face no vote and you could forget having a contact for years. time value of money ring a bell?

frankly in a way you could argue that there is no reason to let the pilots vote if the only thing theyre allowed to vote is yes. heck, from a couple of reps it sounds like the only thing theyre allowed to vote is yes as long as the NC reaches an agreement.

democracy? yes. but in a one party rule kind of way.

Let's review, if the company and the NC reach an agreement, you should say yes. If you (kid on the right) decide to say no to a TA, the company (kid on the left) will enact plan B (the ball):

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So everyone understand? Vote accordingly.

Oh, it passed?!? Wow, it must be because it's just the greatest thing since apple pie

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FTB, Does it really matter why someone voted yes ? No one I have talked to thought this contract was a slam dunk, almost to a person they contemplated all the ramifications and voted according to their perspective of risk reward and a lot of unknowns. Could we have done better ? maybe, could we have done worse ? maybe. We will never know. To judge this contract 2 months in might be a little premature but my impression of this is some no voters tend to marginalize the majority and insinuate that we somehow don't have the wisdom and knowledge of the exalted and all knowing no voters. I like to read all aspects and views on issues, there are some gems I find in opposing views. If the vote had been no I was all in regardless of the eventual outcome because the majority of my fellow pilots had deemed the TA inadequate but that didn't happen. Two years from now while we are getting ready for the next contract might be a good time to reflect on how good or bad this contract is, time will tell.