Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-09-2012 | 03:30 PM
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I just read that SEA-NRT is switching to a 747. Is this going to still be crewed out of DTW and does this now mean that SEA based A330 crews that have been doing Asia flying for years are now losing it to just AMS? Could this mean a long-term closure or downsizing of the SEA A330 base? I understand DL has applied for SEA-HND and also PVG but no idea what the timeline is on those and whether they will be Airbus or 767...
10-09-2012 | 03:43 PM
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I'm not here to sing Moak's praises. My opinion of him shifted from innovative leader in CH11, to just another guy that wants the job, sometime ago. Don't hate him, rank him just above Prater and Woerth, but that doesn't say a lot.
Of course, you do me a disservice by talking past my point. My post had nothing to do with Moak. What's your answer to the question I asked of Essential: would 500K be out of bounds for any effective president of ALPA, or just this guy?
Of course, you do me a disservice by talking past my point. My post had nothing to do with Moak. What's your answer to the question I asked of Essential: would 500K be out of bounds for any effective president of ALPA, or just this guy?
In the theoretical realm of CEOs, $500k isn't what it used to be, but that would be a recognition of inflation which Moak's organization doesn't seem to recognise for its constituents.I think the value of a CEO (Moak?) is based upon what they DO. Has he, as CEO, done two years' (at $500k) productivity?
We know his organization has brought in captive tax revenue.
10-09-2012 | 03:43 PM
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This is true, I guess they found his car about a month ago with no sign of him. Havent heard much more though unfortunately. All hear say on the info.
10-09-2012 | 03:50 PM
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I just read that SEA-NRT is switching to a 747. Is this going to still be crewed out of DTW and does this now mean that SEA based A330 crews that have been doing Asia flying for years are now losing it to just AMS? Could this mean a long-term closure or downsizing of the SEA A330 base? I understand DL has applied for SEA-HND and also PVG but no idea what the timeline is on those and whether they will be Airbus or 767...
10-09-2012 | 04:02 PM
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From what I heard SD was on an aircraft that had a mechanical, so they are going to reschedule it. That is the last meeting that I will drive up to. Every time there is a meeting (union or company) there is an accident on the 5/405.
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10-09-2012 | 04:06 PM
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I just read that SEA-NRT is switching to a 747. Is this going to still be crewed out of DTW and does this now mean that SEA based A330 crews that have been doing Asia flying for years are now losing it to just AMS? Could this mean a long-term closure or downsizing of the SEA A330 base? I understand DL has applied for SEA-HND and also PVG but no idea what the timeline is on those and whether they will be Airbus or 767...
Yes, it will be crewed out of DTW. That is the only 747 crew base.
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10-09-2012 | 04:17 PM
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Interesting...so the results, as debatable as they are (trading jobs for pay), justify the means? When the results turn out to be more inline with what the "opposition" suspected, you try to retcon entire process.
Ahhh, teamwork....I suspect your version of that is "you guys really need to go along with what we tell you". And this belies your complete misunderstanding of the situation you find yourself in. Here's a clue...this isn't your classroom in B school where parroting then professor's text on "Effective Leadership" gets you brownie points.
The pilots have lost trust in the the process, despite being pragmatists. Without that trust, there is no unity. You would attempt to bludgeon pilots into "unity", without understanding the true source of the problem.
Oh, and the stuff you call "politcal BS"...that's called "the process"' and yea, it's important. When the process is transparent, the pilots trust the system, and when you have their trust, THEN, you get their unity for free.
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Ahhh, teamwork....I suspect your version of that is "you guys really need to go along with what we tell you". And this belies your complete misunderstanding of the situation you find yourself in. Here's a clue...this isn't your classroom in B school where parroting then professor's text on "Effective Leadership" gets you brownie points.
The pilots have lost trust in the the process, despite being pragmatists. Without that trust, there is no unity. You would attempt to bludgeon pilots into "unity", without understanding the true source of the problem.
Oh, and the stuff you call "politcal BS"...that's called "the process"' and yea, it's important. When the process is transparent, the pilots trust the system, and when you have their trust, THEN, you get their unity for free.
Nu
So no recommendations? Seriously, what do you recommend be changed?
10-09-2012 | 04:22 PM
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From: Light Chop
SPELLACY II v. AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL III
that ends with this:
"Because we conclude that Judge Weinstein correctly granted ALPA's motion for judgment as a matter of law, we need not address either ALPA's contention that Judge Weinstein erred in instructing the jury or the pilots' argument that the grant of a new trial was improper.
CONCLUSION
We have considered all the arguments raised by appellants and find them to be without merit. Accordingly, the judgment of the district court is AFFIRMED.
McLAUGHLIN, Circuit Judge."
SPELLACY II v. AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL III, No.
Perhaps someone can explain it. Was this the final judgment? If so, did ALPA ultimately prevail even though a jury had found ALPA guilty?
that ends with this:
"Because we conclude that Judge Weinstein correctly granted ALPA's motion for judgment as a matter of law, we need not address either ALPA's contention that Judge Weinstein erred in instructing the jury or the pilots' argument that the grant of a new trial was improper.
CONCLUSION
We have considered all the arguments raised by appellants and find them to be without merit. Accordingly, the judgment of the district court is AFFIRMED.
McLAUGHLIN, Circuit Judge."
SPELLACY II v. AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL III, No.
Perhaps someone can explain it. Was this the final judgment? If so, did ALPA ultimately prevail even though a jury had found ALPA guilty?
But while doing it I also found this two year old post from the DPA Thread:
Hey Mister Fudd,
How do you account for the legal settlements ALPA national has paid to settle litigation brought on behalf of, and in the defense of, legacy airline pilots?
At Delta our larger ones have been Miller v. ALPA and Duke / Spellacy (which forced us to mortgage the ALPA HQ). United guys just got us tagged for $44 million.
The national employees are union members who live and work in a very expensive area. Do you suggest we break their union contract?
... and when it comes to a "conflict of interest" if we always win, is it a problem? When has ALPA's President refused to sign a Delta contract?
Just a few questions to help clarify that DPA has a plan ... .
How do you account for the legal settlements ALPA national has paid to settle litigation brought on behalf of, and in the defense of, legacy airline pilots?
At Delta our larger ones have been Miller v. ALPA and Duke / Spellacy (which forced us to mortgage the ALPA HQ). United guys just got us tagged for $44 million.
The national employees are union members who live and work in a very expensive area. Do you suggest we break their union contract?
... and when it comes to a "conflict of interest" if we always win, is it a problem? When has ALPA's President refused to sign a Delta contract?
Just a few questions to help clarify that DPA has a plan ... .
10-09-2012 | 04:29 PM
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10-09-2012 | 04:57 PM
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The Spellacy plaintiffs refused to settle. They won the jury verdict but the judge ultimately threw out the verdict "as a matter of law". The Spellacy lawyers then appealed that ruling. That's the appellate court cases you are reading. The appeals court upheld the district judge's decision to throw out the case. So ALPA won.
Turned out they would not have had to pay Duke but it was too late. The settlement was a done deal. A lot of people said it nearly bankrupted ALPA but the people who know how much it really cost have never talked.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1029974.html
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