Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-30-2012, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
But now we can sell back 100% of it! And you wonder why there's no open time?
Feel the synergy?
I mean stagnation.
Feel the synergy?
I mean stagnation.
10-30-2012, 07:12 AM
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I'm pretty sure you can't pick-up open time during your vacation, and pretty sure you can't sell it either.
10-30-2012, 07:27 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
I'm pretty sure you can't pick-up open time during your vacation, and pretty sure you can't sell it either.
10-30-2012, 07:31 AM
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The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement. At least we slowed down the trip parking, but I'm sure there's a work-a-round in the works.
The MEC says the 'average line flyer' flys about what, 87 hours now?
OK, let's say we were to go back to a hard 75 hr. cap. and include vacation in that, no sell back. That's 12 hrs. less per month for the entire line holding pilot group, or 16% less flying, which would mean the co. would need to upgrade 16% more pilots (1,600 of 10,000) to do the same amount of flying.
OR...we could just keep doing what we are doing and you can stay in your right seat until some old fart retires...and maybe they replace him, or not, just like they are not replacing all those A330 and 747 Capts. who just left early.
Dammit! I told you not to get me started!!
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement. At least we slowed down the trip parking, but I'm sure there's a work-a-round in the works.
The MEC says the 'average line flyer' flys about what, 87 hours now?
OK, let's say we were to go back to a hard 75 hr. cap. and include vacation in that, no sell back. That's 12 hrs. less per month for the entire line holding pilot group, or 16% less flying, which would mean the co. would need to upgrade 16% more pilots (1,600 of 10,000) to do the same amount of flying.
OR...we could just keep doing what we are doing and you can stay in your right seat until some old fart retires...and maybe they replace him, or not, just like they are not replacing all those A330 and 747 Capts. who just left early.
Dammit! I told you not to get me started!!
10-30-2012, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it back.
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it back.
I can't believe how hard some people want to work. Get a hobby. (NOT directed @ you Timbo)
10-30-2012, 07:37 AM
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It's the end of October, and I'm reviewing how much others on reserve have worked. Does it seem like a fair distribution of workload that those junior on reserve have logged 74 hours while those senior on reserve have logged 10 hours or less? Was this the intent of the new reserve scheduling system?
Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?
Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?
10-30-2012, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement.
If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.
No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement.
These are words of wisdom Fellas.
Scoop
10-30-2012, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
It's the end of October, and I'm reviewing how much others on reserve have worked. Does it seem like a fair distribution of workload that those junior on reserve have logged 74 hours while those senior on reserve have logged 10 hours or less? Was this the intent of the new reserve scheduling system?
Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?
Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?
10-30-2012, 07:41 AM
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does someone get paid with a NQAT status? also, is per diem paid during training away from base? Thank you.
10-30-2012, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Junior guys work weekends (typically). That's when a majority of trips get covered. They will naturally fly more
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