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Johnso, Hockey, and IA,.... Thanks!

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1288348)

Not much time wasted caring about "what the membership wants." Granted, DALPA has never released the survey results but I don't know too many DAL guys whose wish list included "outsourcing 70 brand-new 76-seat jets with mainline comfort, performance, and capabilities to be flown on a coast-to-coast network and will that will stick around for another 20-25 years."

Spout all the uninformed, inaccurate, and foolish things you want... It does not change the fact that you are NOT a Delta Pilot and you do NOT know "what the membership wants".

Why don't you go negotiate a solidly improved contract for your own airline before being critical of someone else's collective bargaining agreement...

If the membership was so dissatisfied with the work of THEIR own elected representatives, why hasn't even a single LEC had a recall petition submitted?

Must be a whole lot of unhappy pilots put there who feel like they weren't represented well.....:rolleyes:

Just in case you forgot: Go back to your own forum and leave Delta pilots to be concerned with Delta Pilot issues.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1288243)

I actually agree with 90% of your post. The cynicism is actually stemming from the sales job of the rush to pass the TA to get a good deal quick. Most people I spoke with both in ALPA and on the line that were pushing the TA stated that the company wanted to make moves and we would see further improvements in short order. That was the justification for the far below expectation payrates and other poor improvements.

By far the most zealot line pilots for the TA I flew with were for more money now, and DL is going to make moves and make them quick after this TA, freeing us up to quick improvements.

Well, here we are.... there is nothing close to triggering further improvements happening now. We are not pursuing parts of AA- in fact we are much farther from doing so than when the TA was in discussion. Hiring is as far away or even farther away.

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the improvements in the contract- as a reserve I'm reaping many of the small rewards. The issue that I brought up during the TA discussion-and that which has proven to be true- what's the rush for such a mediocre gain after so many gives?

I hear ya. It's a timing issue outside our control I guess. That and they realized next summer was going to be flat capacity wise. Which leads me to believe the timing of the 717 and 739 arrivals wasn't "as early as we could get them".

They don't realize exciting things on their planning scale are 6-9 months out. Our exciting-o-meter has a maximum range of 365 days once a year, and 210 days a couple times a year (but mostly that's been depressing) but 9 times out of 10 we get excited to see the monthly category lists come out just to say "did they even update this?"

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1287974)

R1, I had this exact scenario in Oct. Count your CQ days as Reserve days of availability. In a 31 day bid period you will use the 24 days of availability column. So since the M88 ALV for Dec is 74 hours it looks like at minimum you will get 11 X days. If you're category is projecting at least 20% reserves, then you'll receive 12 X days.

johnso (or anyone else):

One last question. Do the 2 days of CQ count as work days in regard to the minimum of 3 days on.

Or, asked another way, if I place 1 work day next to 2 days of CQ, are the PBS gods satisfied?

By the way, you guys guessed right. I am an ATL 88B!

Thanks in advance, again!

R1

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1288373)

I have not done it, but a quick search on DeltaNet (in the search bar on the top right) showed some promise. I searched for "exchange email" showed some promising results. The first couple of documents will give you some direction on how to proceed. I won't go into more details for security reasons, but it appears that some employees can do just what you're asking about.

Yeah, just researched that myself.

Search function on delta net has come a long way.

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Originally Posted by Razorback one (Post 1288400)

I believe so, but you'll want to confirm that with the PBS Bid Assist Line. Unfortunately I don't think they open until the 8th. I don't see why it wouldn't, but in Oct when I had vacation I had CQ over the weekend so I stacked 4 days(min for my category) in front of that in order to maximize my one week of vacation.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1288395)

This. LEC recalls are EXTREMELY easy to get going, and it doesn't take many angry people at all to get the ball rolling.

Get a resolution, ask for a special LEC meeting, stack the meeting with your buds, resolution passes, vote is carried out, and POOF. Probably less than 60 days start to finish, not including the election for the reps you just booted.

At a smaller base, 50 well motivated people can make it happen, no problem. Larger bases would take more, but not many more.

Nu

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1288319)

717's with 106 seats, 2000 mile range vs A319's with 156 seats/3700 mile range. Wonder which one fits Allegiant's business model, especially with the deals Airbus is giving. Come on, man.

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Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1288428)

717's with 106 seats, 2000 mile range vs A319's with 156 seats/3700 mile range. Wonder which one fits Allegiant's business model, especially with the deals Airbus is giving. Come on, man.

Uh, the post wasn't about Allegiant's business model...it was about Delta's plan B.

C'mon, man.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1288319)

Great point.

Yeah, if you thought the B717's were coming anyway, you got hoodwinked. Even though management told you that they were contingent on a deal, and that they had a plan B. Even though Allegiant signed a contract for about 1/3 the number of small narrowbody aircraft just weeks after ours passed. Hoodwinked! Management had a real world deadline to get started.

If you thought RJ50's were just going away on their own and DCI would get way smaller, even though ownership costs and lease obligations stretched into next decade, then you were hoodwinked. You were told that management had a plan B, and that they'd make the smartest financial decisions for the company, not for Delta pilots. And they had a real world deadline to get started.

But here in the real world, getting B717's, ensuring more Delta pax are flown by Delta pilots, and increasing pilot pay 12.84% on the amendable date and a bunch of other improvements were the reason that this was the right deal at the right time.

The 717 has sufficient range to be useful to Allegiant? ... not unless the Casinos in Mississippi are drawing business from as far away as Memphis :)

I thought you explained the 717's well when you related them to the somewhat unique opportunity presented by the structure of our network.

Our MEC did some outstanding work with C2012 and a lot of that was the result of good strategic thinking. Those who criticize C2012 argue vehemently that we left money on the table without seeming to correlate if we had managed to get every dime of profit then growth would be even further away than it is presently. (a lesson United learned the hard way)

Stagnation does suck, but I'd sure not trade this gig for any other US based passenger operator.

Any news on whether they will be ready by their delivery date? Frankly, it is surprising to see Delta and Southwest are playing so nicely in the sandbox. It is out of character for SWA.