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XtremeF150 10-26-2012 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1282876)
So, If Delta buys them, WHO, pray-tell, will fly them. Mainline, or SDI?

I would imagine if DAL buys them it will be a situation like Compass and Mesaba (PNCL) work under. We own The Compass jets and more or less rent them to Transtates for them to be flown for us (At lower salaries of course).
I'm not sure how many a/c we still own or if those a/c are taken into account in these positive a/c numbers later this decade.

As I've said quite a few times though, Large RJ's flown at DCI give me heartburn. Hope we don't offer them anymore ....FOR ANY AMOUNT OF PAY RAISE (Hope our union can read large type)

sailingfun 10-26-2012 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1282900)
Your talking about the raises but you haven't mentioned giving up work rules. Guess you wanted to "completely ignore the real world"

The work rules at Delta have substantially improved overall since the bankruptcy. We also were able to maintain most of the critical rigs during chapter 11 unlike other airlines.

badflaps 10-26-2012 06:42 AM

It seems to me DALPA should be trying to get the E-jets under the umbrella, since Embraer will probably build more bigger better.

Scoop 10-26-2012 06:42 AM

That Cat is on the "juice."

Scoop :)



Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1282765)
Cost Neutral: when you pay for your own pay raise.

Now, back to When Cats Jump Really High...

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johnso29 10-26-2012 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1282921)
It seems to me DALPA should be trying to get the E-jets under the umbrella, since Embraer will probably build more bigger better.

Well the E190/195 has been out for years. That being said, I'd love to see the E170/175 @ mainline. Air Canada has been flying them for years at mainline. Unfortunately, they just fell victim to having a large portion of their domestic flying(apparently all E175's and even some Airbus aircraft) shifted to a low cost subsidiary of Air Canada. Separate pilot group with much lower pay.

EDIT: Turns out it's worse then I thought! :eek:

Even though the airline, which is targeting rivals like Sunwing and Transat, has studied different possibilities including a partnership, the new low-cost carrier will be 100 per cent owned by Air Canada with a separate management team.

That’s because an arbitration decision issued in July to settle a contract with the airline’s 3,000 pilots permits up to 50 airplanes — 20 Boeing 767s and 30 Airbus 319s to be used for the discount airline.


Air Canada to launch low-cost carrier in 2013 - thestar.com

Check Essential 10-26-2012 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1282919)
The work rules at Delta have substantially improved overall since the bankruptcy.

That's only true if you're one of the guys who wants to fly 95 hours/month.
The new rules are great for those guys.

However, if you would prefer a meaningful monthly cap in order to create more jobs and advancement and spend more time with your family then we have gone backwards in a big way.
Ask yourself how many current F/Os would be captains right now and how many new hire f/o's we would have on this property if everyone was flying 75 hours with bow wave and spillback rules like the old days?

SailorJerry 10-26-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1282930)

That's only true if you're one of the guys who wants to fly 95 hours/month.
The new rules are great for those guys.

However, if you would prefer a meaningful monthly cap in order to create more jobs and advancement and spend more time with your family then we have gone backwards in a big way.

If you don't want to work 95 hours a month then PD a trip or two. If you can't PD it, put in a qualified PD. Someone who wants the flexibility to fly their tail off might take it.

Not everyone wants/needs all that time and some people want the money to meet financial obligations. This ain't a country club.

As quoted from my previous handler: "Shut up and fly."

PS - I make 200% more and have 200% more time off than I did three years ago. Careful how entitled you sound with these comparisons. We're trying to raise the bar aren't we?

scambo1 10-26-2012 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1282888)
I've been floored by our stock price changes since the earnings call. Our management team is pretty much screwed if they do, and screwed if they don't. Like you said, they miss EPS by 1 freaking penny. DAL had perhaps the smoothest merger in airline history. DAL has lead the industry in capacity discipline. DAL is aggressive in all cost factors, yet these quarter to quarter guys continue to hammer our stock. :confused:

Welcome to the world of etf's. Sectors don't differentiate, a clear flaw of etf trading, but traders go where the money is and etfs are fully 40-50% of all trading.

forgot to bid 10-26-2012 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1282758)
Source: Delta Air Lines' CEO Discusses Q3 2012 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha


Operator
We’ll take our next question from Mary Jane Credeur with Bloomberg News.

Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?

Richard Anderson
Hi, Mary Jane, this is Richard. Sorry for not saying hello. When you look at the overall value that we’re going to create as a result of unlocking the ability to refleet plus the productivity that has been built into that agreement, we’re confident that it will be an important part of our ability to get to unit cost over the next couple of years to improve our margins and our return on invested capital.

Glen Hauenstein
And, Mary Jane, this is Ed. One additional thing, we also reduced the profit sharing going forward and that’s an important part of helping to fund that cost growth.

Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.

the contact is very affordable!

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tsquare 10-26-2012 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1282316)
Obviously Mr. Bastian has not been briefed by slowplay or he would have known that the cut in profit sharing was far from "important" in funding the pilot contract and was actually insignificant.

You know it was not only our profit sharing that got "cut".... all the non contract employees got theirs chopped.


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