Slow,

I supported ASA's request for a policy implementation date based on ALPAs Consitution and Bylaws. I would support Pinnacle's efforts too, although their argument for operational integration is no where near as good. ASA had it's own code*, which Delta acquired when they bought the whole operation. Surely you know the difference between being a shareholder and owning a 121 Certificate within Delta Air Lines, Inc.

A flow through is not unity.

A flow through is just a union facilitated outsourcing scheme.

The criteria is simple. Do they have a Delta seniority number? If not, my MEC has no business meddling in their business.

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History for those unfamiliar. Atlantic Southeast Airlines developed its own routes, had it's own marketing and code. It fed Eastern and after Eastern's demise grew, just as Delta grew, by opportunistically backfilling Eastern's capacity. When acquired by Delta, Delta transferred some of ASA's routes to Delta immediately and stripped ASA of it's code and ticket stock. When ASA was acquired they had BAE jets configured to 120 seats and were evaluating a 737 order. I don't know of another DCI carrier which had a similar history.

As Delta's three man airplanes started to go away there were Delta pilots who were bid restricted Second Officers. We set up a program to train them and let them fly at ASA, allowing them to hold concurrent seniority. We also had a revolving door of managers, safety and flight operations staff. When ASA was acquired within Delta Air Lines. Inc. the ASA MEC filed for ALPA approval to initiate merger protocols. The Delta MEC fought this merger vigorously on the grounds that ASA pilots were not qualified to be Delta pilots making allegations that we were uneducated, drunks and felons. Still nearly every pilot that wanted to got hired at Delta when Delta opened the doors. Truth was, we were qualified.

 

OOOF!

That's gonna leave a mark.

 

Not sure if that is true. DAL management can agree to a one-way flow with no input from DAL. DALPA does not control hiring. That said, I am told it is guaranteed interviews at a specific rate.

 

That certainly wasn't what you argued regarding Compass...they didn't have Delta seniority numbers either.

Nice straw man. Try again.

 

but compass plus had a NWA interview, so yeah they didn't have a number but they had cleared a mainline sanctioned interview and all of them were to flow meaning they would have a number without another interview process, right?

 

There are going to be a few names that will be a gauge to how well it works. A number of the people at the top of the 9E list shouldn't be trusted with flying an airliner...


That being said- why on earth would the majority of the airline vote in a TA that guarantees 60+% of them won't have a job in 2 years?

 

A promise of a Delta job.

Just as Comair used to say "being owned by Delta means everything..

 

absolutely.

WE ARE NOT PAYING DUES MONEY TO FURTHER A DCI PILOT'S CAREER.

DALPA can't even adequately represent us. Wasting any of our dues money on pilots not on our list is inept, inane, and incomprehensible.

 

OBE...............

 

... and those are my concern as well.

Ironic that Slowplay, who is going to have to work with them is unconcerned. We will be too close in seniority to have one of these guys in our right seat and that point is so far off in the future that mortality tables probably have more bearing on the issue than bidding.