Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-22-2013 | 12:51 PM
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Threatening to beat people up at roadshows last I heard...
02-22-2013 | 12:51 PM
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02-22-2013 | 01:19 PM
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Lol, that's why Standard Text is such Hogwash. Ten years from now we will be doing something completely different.
02-22-2013 | 01:26 PM
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So are you suggesting RA and others were not telling the truth or whole truth to investors in that webcast? Only time and the next couple of AEs will tell. Adding airframes doesn't guarantee growth when they are/will/maybe displace from several other fleets to staff the new one.
Not trying to start a fight, I am (like everyone) seeking the honest truth about what Delta's plans are for seniority movement. Either up or down I wish their projections would actually come close to reality down the road.
Remember what ALPA put out in their contract negotiators notepad FAQ June 11, 2012?
Q2 Is it true that, if approved, this TA will cost hundreds of Delta pilot jobs?
A2 No. This assertion is based on a simplistic and incomplete analysis of the TA. Changes to the ALV, TLV and the change in bid period length will likely result in a contractual staffing reduction of approximately 300 pilots. However, the Pilot Retirement Medical Account Program and other changes to the PWA such as the increases to the staffing formula and to vacation and CQ training pay are expected to more than compensate for this reduction. In fact, with the ratification of this TA, Flight Operations has recently stated, “If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.”
Last quarter 2012. That was what we knew in June. Somehow it ended up like this in Nov/Dec: No plans for hiring at all in 2013. So what changed? We didn't experience an "economic downturn or other unanticipated event" did we?
I hope you are right and we do actually grow to staff the 717, not by displacing other categories and further capacity reductions.
Not trying to start a fight, I am (like everyone) seeking the honest truth about what Delta's plans are for seniority movement. Either up or down I wish their projections would actually come close to reality down the road.
Remember what ALPA put out in their contract negotiators notepad FAQ June 11, 2012?
Q2 Is it true that, if approved, this TA will cost hundreds of Delta pilot jobs?
A2 No. This assertion is based on a simplistic and incomplete analysis of the TA. Changes to the ALV, TLV and the change in bid period length will likely result in a contractual staffing reduction of approximately 300 pilots. However, the Pilot Retirement Medical Account Program and other changes to the PWA such as the increases to the staffing formula and to vacation and CQ training pay are expected to more than compensate for this reduction. In fact, with the ratification of this TA, Flight Operations has recently stated, “If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.”
Last quarter 2012. That was what we knew in June. Somehow it ended up like this in Nov/Dec: No plans for hiring at all in 2013. So what changed? We didn't experience an "economic downturn or other unanticipated event" did we?
I hope you are right and we do actually grow to staff the 717, not by displacing other categories and further capacity reductions.
No. They weren't telling lies. When management states that capacity will be flat, that does not mean that mainline can't grow. By parking RJs and adding B717s and B737s you can keep Delta Air Lines capacity flat while increasing mainline capacity. If you're going to refer to the Investor's Day presentation, you need to include the slide which shows the mainline fleet growing by 70+ airframes over the next 2-3 years.
You also need to keep in mind that 150 military leave pilots have returned since contract ratification.
02-22-2013 | 01:37 PM
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So are you suggesting RA and others were not telling the truth or whole truth to investors in that webcast? Only time and the next couple of AEs will tell. Adding airframes doesn't guarantee growth when they are/will/maybe displace from several other fleets to staff the new one.
Not trying to start a fight, I am (like everyone) seeking the honest truth about what Delta's plans are for seniority movement. Either up or down I wish their projections would actually come close to reality down the road.
Remember what ALPA put out in their contract negotiators notepad FAQ June 11, 2012?
Q2 Is it true that, if approved, this TA will cost hundreds of Delta pilot jobs?
A2 No. This assertion is based on a simplistic and incomplete analysis of the TA. Changes to the ALV, TLV and the change in bid period length will likely result in a contractual staffing reduction of approximately 300 pilots. However, the Pilot Retirement Medical Account Program and other changes to the PWA such as the increases to the staffing formula and to vacation and CQ training pay are expected to more than compensate for this reduction. In fact, with the ratification of this TA, Flight Operations has recently stated, “If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.”
Last quarter 2012. That was what we knew in June. Somehow it ended up like this in Nov/Dec: No plans for hiring at all in 2013. So what changed? We didn't experience an "economic downturn or other unanticipated event" did we?
I hope you are right and we do actually grow to staff the 717, not by displacing other categories and further capacity reductions.
Not trying to start a fight, I am (like everyone) seeking the honest truth about what Delta's plans are for seniority movement. Either up or down I wish their projections would actually come close to reality down the road.
Remember what ALPA put out in their contract negotiators notepad FAQ June 11, 2012?
Q2 Is it true that, if approved, this TA will cost hundreds of Delta pilot jobs?
A2 No. This assertion is based on a simplistic and incomplete analysis of the TA. Changes to the ALV, TLV and the change in bid period length will likely result in a contractual staffing reduction of approximately 300 pilots. However, the Pilot Retirement Medical Account Program and other changes to the PWA such as the increases to the staffing formula and to vacation and CQ training pay are expected to more than compensate for this reduction. In fact, with the ratification of this TA, Flight Operations has recently stated, “If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.”
Last quarter 2012. That was what we knew in June. Somehow it ended up like this in Nov/Dec: No plans for hiring at all in 2013. So what changed? We didn't experience an "economic downturn or other unanticipated event" did we?
I hope you are right and we do actually grow to staff the 717, not by displacing other categories and further capacity reductions.
There were 2 things that changed. The ER program did not produce the upfront number of pilots hoped for however overall it is better for the pilot group since the pilots who went were much younger then the targeted group. The second was a large number of pilots returning from Mil Leave. 130 to 140 were the last numbers I heard with more each month. Even with both those items flight ops still wanted to hire but did not get funding. They now plan to start the process this fall for classes next winter. The end result for pilot advancement 3 years from now will be exactly what was stated upfront if not a bit better with the younger ER participants.
02-22-2013 | 01:40 PM
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If 747-400s are a possibility, what routes would network use them on? As much as some people would love to see DTW-PHX service with them, probably a pipe dream. Sooo....
Probably not main-hub to large city (non-sky team hub) in Europe. While FRA and MAD are busy places, it's probable better to serve them from hubs with smaller airplanes.
Definitely not hub to hub or big city to big city within the US. "People want freq.".
The market that does work for a -400 is big hub to big Skyteam hub. Routes like JFK-LHR (slot controlled so big airplane is better), DTW/ATL/JFK to AMS or CDG would feed each other hubs well and keep CASM down. Also would feed Skyteam cargo.
That's my guess if Delta is looking at big airplanes to buy.
Probably not main-hub to large city (non-sky team hub) in Europe. While FRA and MAD are busy places, it's probable better to serve them from hubs with smaller airplanes.
Definitely not hub to hub or big city to big city within the US. "People want freq.".
The market that does work for a -400 is big hub to big Skyteam hub. Routes like JFK-LHR (slot controlled so big airplane is better), DTW/ATL/JFK to AMS or CDG would feed each other hubs well and keep CASM down. Also would feed Skyteam cargo.
That's my guess if Delta is looking at big airplanes to buy.
02-22-2013 | 01:45 PM
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Delta does plan on keeping capacity flat for the most part in its system. Lucky for us they plan on reducing RJ's hulls and increasing mainline hulls. Capacity will be flat for 2013 at the mainline until Sep and then it starts to ramp up while RJ's ramp down. You also have to keep in mind who a investor conference is for and how wall street currently views capacity in the airline industry. The mainline at Delta is projected to grow.
Here is what the company put out on 13 Feb. Capacity will be stable system wide for 2013. Domestic capacity will be up 1 percent with the mainline seeing slightly higher increases. The summer international flying will be the same as 2012. Keep in mind in 2013 we only pick up about 20 new airframes in the last quarter only. In 2014 it will be more like 60 new airframes not counting the additional aircraft being discussed now. They expect manning to be tight this summer. Management turned down flight ops request to hire some pilots this winter to smooth the training flow so its going to be interesting if we get a bad summer weather wise.
Here is what the company put out on 13 Feb. Capacity will be stable system wide for 2013. Domestic capacity will be up 1 percent with the mainline seeing slightly higher increases. The summer international flying will be the same as 2012. Keep in mind in 2013 we only pick up about 20 new airframes in the last quarter only. In 2014 it will be more like 60 new airframes not counting the additional aircraft being discussed now. They expect manning to be tight this summer. Management turned down flight ops request to hire some pilots this winter to smooth the training flow so its going to be interesting if we get a bad summer weather wise.
02-22-2013 | 01:51 PM
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so with these Carl jets come really fast or trickle in, I wonder?
02-22-2013 | 01:57 PM
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If the Standard Text is done correctly, you will be doing it the same way 10 years from now and appreciate the simplicity of moving from aircraft to aircraft.
02-22-2013 | 02:11 PM
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Its been posted over and over again what the companies fleet plan is and how many aircraft they plan on having in 3 more years. There are still almost enough MD-90's to enter the fleet this year to offset the nines. The 20 number I posted was new aircraft only. If the company purchases the 30 additional aircraft then in 3 years we will have a net fleet increase approaching or exceeding 100 aircraft. That means 218 new aircraft plus the MD90's. There will be a lot of retirements as planned. In the past however Delta has almost always slowed retirement from their forecast so that could mean a even greater gain.
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