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johnso29 03-02-2013 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1363480)
Have to disagree here to some extent. While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad. We are constantly hearing the phrase "overstaffed" come from Network. This could lead to some MDs to lower paying jets for some junior guys. Not to mention future hiring could be impacted. I wonder how "overstaffed" we would be if everyone just flew their awarded line?

I don't disagree with you, but we all know that will likely never happen. Too many guys are too hungry for money. Others genuinely need it due to ill family members. I would rather see GS awards as opposed to WS awards.

Purple Drank 03-02-2013 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1363480)
While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad.

I think he meant that it's good in a sense it puts financial pressure on the company to hire.

The concept of everyone flying his assigned line and nothing more is admirable--but let's be careful about advocating for it against the status quo.

Could be deemed an illegal work action, and the company could subpoena this web board.

johnso29 03-02-2013 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1363486)
I thought even after the "Verification" requirement kicks in (yet another concessionary item, thanks ALPA), the Man can't ask you anything until after your 5th call per sick year.

Is that 5 one-day trips? or 5 five-day trips? I don't use much sick time, but I hate the feeling of not being trusted by the company to do the right thing.

I think verification can be required if our for 15 consecutive work days. But I need to look to verify that.


I still don't see how the new policy is concessionary. Nothing stops them from asking for verification at any point under the old policy. They could call for verification on your first used sick hour of the year. You now get 100 hours of "no questions asked" sick usage.

So how is the new policy concessionary? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't see the concessionary side of the new policy.

Purple Drank 03-02-2013 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1363496)
I think verification can be required if our for 15 consecutive work days. But I need to look to verify that.

true.

The term "concessionary" was an inaccurate portrayal. I should have said "inadequate."


I don't think the company should be able to get in our chili on medical matters, period. We have sick time. We should get to use it when we need it without harassment. The end.

I suppose something like the 15 consecutive day verification is understandable, but how can they trust us to fly the plane while micromanaging our sick usage?

I suppose there are the abusers that make it necessary.

In any case, I absolutely abhor the notion that the company can get into our medical records. I hope ALPA goes to the mat with the legal team to prevent this from a HIPPA standpoint. But I won't hold my breath. Hopefully no one will press-to-test without a legitimate situation.

johnso29 03-02-2013 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1363503)
true.

The term "concessionary" was an inaccurate portrayal. I should have said "inadequate."


I don't think the company should be able to get in our chili on medical matters, period. I suppose something like the 15 consecutive day verification is understandable, but how can they trust us to fly the plane while micromanaging our sick usage?

I suppose there are the abusers that make it necessary.

I absolutely abhor the notion that the company can get into our medical records.


I can agree with inadequate. Actually, I can agree with your entire post. Thanks for clarifying.

TeddyKGB 03-02-2013 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1363448)
Not our problem to solve. GS awards going out is good. That's nothing to complain about.

Yeah, it's a great deal for the senior fat cats getting the GS's. For the the junior guys sitting reserve over the weekend it pretty much sucks because you know you're going to get used or put on SC. :rolleyes: Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.

SailorJerry 03-02-2013 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1363494)

I think he meant that it's good in a sense it puts financial pressure on the company to hire.

The concept of everyone flying his assigned line and nothing more is admirable--but let's be careful about advocating for it against the status quo.

Could be deemed an illegal work action, and the company could subpoena this web board.

Wow - who's on FPL now?

johnso29 03-02-2013 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1363485)
GSs are great don't get me wrong but I think 1067 has a good point. If the 777/744 were massively over staffed but they covered all the trips via GSs and had no issues, is that a good thing or bad thing?

I say bad for the same reason I'd rather return to the bow wave, I want more people in every category, not less. Even if it caps the hours I can get paid.

Same with weekend coverage, if they can live with 50 during the week, hope about 50 on the weekend. That's increase the number of pilots.


I like the bow wave system. Isn't coverage required lower on the weekends due to reduced frequency on the weekends?

SailorJerry 03-02-2013 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1363503)
true.

The term "concessionary" was an inaccurate portrayal. I should have said "inadequate."

I don't think the company should be able to get in our chili on medical matters, period. We have sick time. We should get to use it when we need it without harassment. The end.

I suppose something like the 15 consecutive day verification is understandable, but how can they trust us to fly the plane while micromanaging our sick usage?

I suppose there are the abusers that make it necessary.

In any case, I absolutely abhor the notion that the company can get into our medical records. I hope ALPA goes to the mat with the legal team to prevent this from a HIPPA standpoint. But I won't hold my breath. Hopefully no one will press-to-test without a legitimate situation.

They can't ever get into your medical records unless they are the ones paying for the visit. Even a physician is smart enough to not put any unnecessary information on a note. All a verification from a physician has to say is "I examined so and so on this date. He will be eligible for work again on this date".

Don't be fooled into thinking they can just call the doctors office and ask. Docs carry malpractice insurance for more than ODing babies and cutting off the wrong leg.

So what makes you think they have access to our medical records?

johnso29 03-02-2013 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1363506)
Yeah, it's a great deal for the senior fat cats getting the GS's. For the the junior guys sitting reserve over the weekend it pretty much sucks because you know you're going to get used or put on SC. :rolleyes: Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.

It depends. In the summer of 2010 I watched 2008 hires on reserve roll in GS awards. A friend of mine was a junior DC9 FO on reserve. By August 20th he had 145 hours of credit, and enough PB days to take the rest of the month off.


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