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No agenda slow. Just connecting the dots. He has been meeting with the Regionals' Reps because they keep calling me asking ***? Sorry if Road Show was the wrong term, what would you call it? A meeting of the Bilateral scope impact commission, or Fee for Departure Task Force, or Captain America and Superfriends :D Most of them are eating up this "vision" like candy. The lure of a someday, maybe, promise, if management goes along, to a job at the World's best airline is very alluring.
I think Delta management would sell Compass to Republic in a split second. If I have an agenda, it is that I detest Teamsters and do not wish to be one. There is a legitimate representational question when it comes to Compass. After all, NWA negotiated a contract for them and hd to represent them, since as probationary members they could not represent themselves. Now they can represent themselves and Moak thinks they should. In balance, his reasoning is that the Delta pilots can not effectively enforce a separate contract and he voices a concern that Compass pilots will "hijack the MEC" with junior pilot issues, as well as be a drag on the Delta MEC's budget. He'd rather be rid of them. Understood. But, as junior pilot who may fly at Compass, I think I have a legitimate concern with MY representation be sold down the river. What if we merge? What if there is a training, or Lord forbid a disciplinary issue at Compass, would a Delta pilot lose their Delta job? How much would Teamsters fight for them? Junior Delta pilots DO have a dog in this fight. There is a legitimate question and I am absolutely positive the best answer for Delta pilots is to have ALPA represent us. As soon as Compass is cut lose they are going to fight the scope that restricts them, just like Comair did. And just like Comair, we have given them a legitimate representational question for them to hang a lawsuit on. Just like Comair, they have a few lifers who have already made complaints against our MEC. One difference with Comair is that "we" (the NWA MEC) is responsible for everything when it comes to their conception and by extrapolation, ALPA. Unless we nip this in the bud by making "them" "us" we'll end up referring to the them as "Plaintiff" and us as "defendant." If we keep them and put them on our list we will share the same list and the same interests. They will want mainline to grow and for them to grow with mainline. Why create an enemy when we can make an family member AND grow Delta flying AND provide better representational security for our pilots? Seriously? Why are we so dead set against unity?:D |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 662787)
There was no road show to promote flow through agreements. He visited the lounges of the Compass pilots, you know, those pilots that he represents.
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Originally Posted by smitty145
(Post 662702)
Oh you don't want to do that! NYC is worse than Lagos!!! Forget Malaria, the diseases in the Kew Cab are what will kill you!!! GO TO ATL!!! I'll fly in NYC, just go man, save yourself!
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 662791)
No agenda slow. Just connecting the dots. He has been meeting with the Regionals' Reps because they keep calling me asking ***? Sorry if Road Show was the wrong term, what would you call it? A meeting of the Bilateral scope impact commission, or Fee for Departure Task Force, or Captain America and Superfriends :D
It's stunning that these guys call you to ask what's going on, as their MEC Chairmen have been at every one of the required meetings. What's your connection to your former employer again? btw, you still haven't laid out the path to put Compass on our list AND scope the flying. You keep saying "just do it." Put the real world process into it and define the leverage that you think you have to make it happen. |
Originally Posted by sinca3
(Post 662802)
When was the last time he visited the other pilots he represents....you know the Delta Air Lines pilots?
He's been to every LEC that invited him for a local meeting this year, and several of them twice. He'll be at the next 44 meeting I'm told. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 662791)
No agenda slow. Just connecting the dots. He has been meeting with the Regionals' Reps because they keep calling me asking ***? Sorry if Road Show was the wrong term, what would you call it? A meeting of the Bilateral scope impact commission, or Fee for Departure Task Force, or Captain America and Superfriends :D Most of them are eating up this "vision" like candy. The lure of a someday, maybe, promise, if management goes along, to a job at the World's best airline is very alluring.
I think Delta management would sell Compass to Republic in a split second. If I have an agenda, it is that I detest Teamsters and do not wish to be one. There is a legitimate representational question when it comes to Compass. After all, NWA negotiated a contract for them and hd to represent them, since as probationary members they could not represent themselves. Now they can represent themselves and Moak thinks they should. In balance, his reasoning is that the Delta pilots can not effectively enforce a separate contract and he voices a concern that Compass pilots will "hijack the MEC" with junior pilot issues, as well as be a drag on the Delta MEC's budget. He'd rather be rid of them. Understood. But, as junior pilot who may fly at Compass, I think I have a legitimate concern with MY representation be sold down the river. What if we merge? What if there is a training, or Lord forbid a disciplinary issue at Compass, would a Delta pilot lose their Delta job? How much would Teamsters fight for them? Junior Delta pilots DO have a dog in this fight. There is a legitimate question and I am absolutely positive the best answer for Delta pilots is to have ALPA represent us. As soon as Compass is cut lose they are going to fight the scope that restricts them, just like Comair did. And just like Comair, we have given them a legitimate representational question for them to hang a lawsuit on. Just like Comair, they have a few lifers who have already made complaints against our MEC. One difference with Comair is that "we" (the NWA MEC) is responsible for everything when it comes to their conception and by extrapolation, ALPA. Unless we nip this in the bud by making "them" "us" we'll end up referring to the them as "Plaintiff" and us as "defendant." If we keep them and put them on our list we will share the same list and the same interests. They will want mainline to grow and for them to grow with mainline. Why create an enemy when we can make an family member AND grow Delta flying AND provide better representational security for our pilots? Seriously? Why are we so dead set against unity?:D Funny thing is that if we give the CPS guys numbers, I am sure that many of the other DCI carriers will be stepping over themselves trying to get next in line. It would in effect show a value to being an ALPA member. Do not tell me that a union does not assign seniority numbers, I know that. |
Hey Slow, has the company approached the union about adding the CPS pilots to the list?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 662824)
Hey Slow, has the company approached the union about adding the CPS pilots to the list?
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 662814)
btw, you still haven't laid out the path to put Compass on our list AND scope the flying. You keep saying "just do it." Put the real world process into it and define the leverage that you think you have to make it happen.
Step 1, economic analysis that you said is being done and which my MEC tells me is not being done (I'm frankly unsure, what, if anything is being done.) Step 2, build consensus amongst pilots based on the economics by communicating with them and educating them Step 3(a), Negotiate a single list on behalf of the pilots we represent in logical flow order, based on the logic that equal representation can best be served on a single list, even if it spans Certificates, Contracts, or Corporate structures. No more letting management restructure itself around scope restrictions. I am told (repeatedly) that management came to ALPA asking about putting Compass on the list as they did not know how to operate the flow down. This is just as M I and others said they would. This also makes the flow up more orderly as people can bid what they want, rather than being forced through a displacement/upgrade restriction. I have stated senior pilots should get something for unity. If management wants it, any little gift would keep the seniors from complaining they had to buy back the scope they sold. Step 3(b), Remove the two sentences in Section 1 that allow Compass to exist in the first place and reset the mainline fleet trigger. By simply moving the Compass jets to mainline and resetting that number as the floor, we prevent the excuse of using Compass to justify a 3 to 1 expansion of large RJ flying. Step 4, as all ALPA hails our step towards unity and scope restoration the politicians get the recognition they deserve for restoring flying to mainline. Step 5, the "unity" platform has a victory and is used as a roadmap for other ALPA members to follow. Step 6, Other regionals, fearful of being left out, jump on the "unity" bandwagon, including those at SkyWest who have correctly figured that as things are, they are better off outside of and negotiating against, ALPA. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 662827)
Not that I know of. Why would they?
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