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johnso29 03-15-2013 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1372782)
I guess we shouldn't judge a guy if he wants to wave pom-poms and dress in a cheerleader skirt. Is he a size 2 or 4, do you think? :D

TMI Purple. We don't need to hear about your weekend adventures! :D

Carl Spackler 03-15-2013 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1372658)
I would think going to the monthy "ae" process NW had (or similar) would enable them to react quicker/quickly to changing conditions. Something that could be of benefit?


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1372671)
The company is free to post bids monthly, weekly or even daily under the current contract.

Of course the company is free to do it, but they don't want to. NWA didn't want to do it either. We had to spend negotiating capital to get our APA (Advance Position Award) system. Previously we had an APE (Advance Position Entitlement) system which was the same nonsense we have now. An APA system requires sophisticated planning, but results in much better QOL for pilots.

Carl

Carl Spackler 03-15-2013 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1372741)
Considering I find his posts rational and well thought out, that doesn't say a whole lot for a fairly sizable seniority demographic, who 6 years ago could have left and been Captains at Virgin America if they hated Delta or NWA so much. Oh what's that you say? They're making more in the right seat here?

I'm gonna start calling anyone hired between 2000-2008 the "broken promise" generation.

You bet! Or they could have chosen to be a captain for some nice 135 outfit, or Air Afrique. Whiners!

I'm sure your choice of comparisons warm the "hearts" of management and management wannabes.

Carl

sailingfun 03-15-2013 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1372780)
I agree fully. None of the triggers failed. Sailing can say what he wants about mil leave and early-outs, nothing in the macro environment prevented hiring, and the company is smart enough to input mil leave and early outs into the equation. If not, they should be smart enough that they don't know enough about mil leave and early outs, and therefore can't predict hiring. SD knew what he was doing. It's not an egregious act, or evil, just... business.

As for the explanation that the Board doesn't want hiring... that makes perfect sense. It also makes perfect sense for SD not to take the Board for granted when he made the statement.

We all know what happened; let's put on our big-boys pants and recognize an non-binding sales argument when we see one.

So far the only thing that's happened is the company has done everything with the fleet plan they said they would. It now appears they plan to do even more then their sales job. This forum is focused on hiring when the fleet plan is more important. Lots of reasons they did not hire a small number of pilots this winter. Mil leaves, ER participation, moving up the nines retirement and the fact we are running a really good airline which reduces reserve needs and credit pay.
They will still need the same number of pilots in 3 years. They will just have to compress the hiring. Flight ops did not want to do that but lost that battle.

Purple Drank 03-15-2013 02:54 PM

Southwest Airlines Isn't Cheapest Most of the Time, Study Confirms - The Middle Seat Terminal - WSJ

APCLurker 03-15-2013 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1372805)
APA (Advance Position Award) system.


APA.....there it is. That's why I put ae in quotes. Couldn't remember the name of it.

Jack Bauer 03-15-2013 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1372754)
That tinfoil is going to get a bit itchy. I know johnso personally, and he's a good guy. He's a regular line pilot like most of us on here.

OK if you know him and vouch for him then I stand corrected. I suspect one large reason he is rarahrah more than most with his seniority is he knows he's got time to forge ahead even if we end up shrinking or stagnating more years. I get that. What I don't like is him trying to upsell his optimism based upon his own upward mobility and "balloon payment" seniority twenty years from now to those of us with less time to undo the damage of work rule/contract changes that hamper our careers in the near term.

Jack Bauer 03-15-2013 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1372757)
Good deal.

The items were interesting, but all rumor IMHO. I won't believe it until I see it executed and happening.

Regardless, its better than speculation and rumors about fleet closures, base closures, displacements, and projected corporate losses..........

True that. My hopefull side says "YES!" but my mind says more of the same is on the way based upon other perfectly timed rumors. Code shares, capacity discipline, productivity... that's what the company wants and chances are that's what the company gets unless we figure out a way to strengthen our voice and resolve. There can be a win/win that also expands Delta pilot jobs.

Sink r8 03-15-2013 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1372812)
So far the only thing that's happened is the company has done everything with the fleet plan they said they would. It now appears they plan to do even more then their sales job. This forum is focused on hiring when the fleet plan is more important. Lots of reasons they did not hire a small number of pilots this winter. Mil leaves, ER participation, moving up the nines retirement and the fact we are running a really good airline which reduces reserve needs and credit pay.
They will still need the same number of pilots in 3 years. They will just have to compress the hiring. Flight ops did not want to do that but lost that battle.

OK, that's all fine and resonable. If hiring is not the most important thing (I agree with you there), and they hadn't won the battle for it anyway, then they simply could have said... nothing about hiring.

Nobody forced SD to make that statement at TA time, right?

Jack Bauer 03-15-2013 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1372780)
I agree fully. None of the triggers failed. Sailing can say what he wants about mil leave and early-outs, nothing in the macro environment prevented hiring, and the company is smart enough to input mil leave and early outs into the equation. If not, they should be smart enough that they don't know enough about mil leave and early outs, and therefore can't predict hiring. SD knew what he was doing. It's not an egregious act, or evil, just... business.

As for the explanation that the Board doesn't want hiring... that makes perfect sense. It also makes perfect sense for SD not to take the Board for granted when he made the statement.

We all know what happened; let's put on our big-boys pants and recognize an non-binding sales argument when we see one.

All true. Btw, have you noticed how much they are using the "good cop/ bad cop" routine lately? "If I had my way we would buy this and do that but The Board or Network Resources or (enter whoever you want) says no".


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