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Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1380217)

From the Excellence email, "as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can funnel more flying back into the schedule to further benefit us all."

I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.

That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.

Ever think the "inefficiencies" being referred to are RJs?

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1380253)

Ever think the "inefficiencies" being referred to are RJs?

No question that they are. Especially the 50 seaters. I'm surprised the company still wants 125 of them longer term.

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1380233)

FLY,

The company does really seem to be going all out to prevent short term hiring, but I think they will have to hire next winter for summer 2014.

Once we start the hiring process the company will have to pull a lot of guys off the line as IPs, conducting IOEs etc, so that once you start the process it kind of becomes self sustaining. In my opinion the company decided to go all out to delay hiring until after this summer, ie. parking the DC-9s, etc, because otherwise they would have had to start hiring sooner.

As much as the company wants to avoid hiring I really don't see them putting it off much past next winter.

Also, we just covered only a small portion of the 717s on this last Advanced Displacement bid, hopefully the next few bids will actually be, ........... dare I say it, "Advanced Entitlements." :eek:

Scoop :)

Actually, over half of the TOTAL B717 positions were funded via AE. Very few came from displacements.

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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1380236)

How long can you keep that argument going if the company nets for example $2,000,000,000 (Two Billion dollars with a "B") or lets say even 3 billion which is not out of the question of where things are headed. Will you continue to fall back on that company produced, ALPA disseminated talking point that "We cant bring restoration to the pilots because it will break the bank?"....when it really wont.

I don't remember the company or ALPA mentioning pay restoration or not being able to. Maybe they did, I just don't remember that being a reason on where our pay rates ended up.

We will get some of that $2B - just not all of it. Management is trying to run the company - not just pay pilots. They have other things to pay for like airplanes, IT upgrades, aircraft interior upgrades to stay competitive, debt service and pay raises for the other 65,000 employees.

I am happy for the company to be profitable, pay down debt and buy more efficient airplanes. It means that in the long term, they can be more efficient, stay competitive and be more profitable in the future - so they can pay us more later.

We all have careers at Delta. Getting huge payouts in 2013 won't help us in 2020 - it's just kicking the can down the road. We need a sustainable payrate. Look what happened at C2K rates.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1380283)

Flap droop? :)

Douglas is nothing if not consistent!

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1380275)

I don't remember the company or ALPA mentioning pay restoration or not being able to. Maybe they did, I just don't remember that being a reason on where our pay rates ended up.

Try looking to the avatar to the left. That fine lapel pin/tie tack was sent to me and every other ALPA member post BK.

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1380275)

I am happy for the company to be profitable, pay down debt and buy more efficient airplanes. It means that in the long term, they can be more efficient, stay competitive and be more profitable in the future - so they can pay us more later.

Ah, so soon the sales pitch form last summer is forgotten. The "Time Value of Money."

Let me ask you this. Your pension was handed over by ALPA during BK. It has been replaced by a 401K. Remember, we are the only employee group to have done this. The others had theirs frozen and still have their 401Ks and company contributions as well.

Now, do you want to put more in your 401k now or later closer to when you punch out??? Are your skills going to be worth more later? Are they less valuable now?

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1380275)

We all have careers at Delta. Getting huge payouts in 2013 won't help us in 2020 - it's just kicking the can down the road. We need a sustainable payrate. Look what happened at C2K rates.

During the hey days of the Leo era in the late 90's, Delta was setting records for profitability. In fact, they started right after the concessionary POS 96 contract that brought us Express. Remember, got suckered again by the fine Mr. Terry Erskine. The pensions at the time were over funded. The C2K pay rates were sustainable at that point in time. It can be argued that Leo and Michelle's actions post 9/11 brought about the demise. Should we keep kicking the time is money can down the road?