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Seasoned veteran! I always try to remember there is a reason these guys work for the FAA. I find it curious I have yet to fly a DAL trip with a former military tanker (strange group indeed) pilot yet most former military tanker pilots went and found employment with the FAA....

All I had to learn at UPT was to keep my mouth shut, and I nearly flunked that!

But your point is well taken, I hated going to any SAC base, way too many "SAC Stan-Eval Copilots" walking around there, all zippers zipped, hats on, boots shined.
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I am not aware of us having a tail strike on the 777, but in the fctm (without reference) I think it is 12 degrees for the -er. IMO, the -LR is the one with the greatest propensity. My personal technique is to rotate gently (we're usually pretty heavy), wait for unstick, then pull it up to the flight director. On landing, I aerobrake and occasionally, you do get a nose up moment from the reversers or a wind gust. I hear Timbo just zens the thing on.
The 777 is easy to grease on until you prang one. Then, due to lack of landings, it probably took me 6 months to get my mojo back. Its embarassing. Its like E.D. for landings.
The 777 is easy to grease on until you prang one. Then, due to lack of landings, it probably took me 6 months to get my mojo back. Its embarassing. Its like E.D. for landings.

Just relax, find your center, picture the shot, turn off all the sound, be the ball Danny.

It's kind of hard to be the ball with you talking!
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There are six wheels on each main truck on the 777. I hear that Timbo likes to taunt Newk by landing on just one of the six and holding the rest off the rest of the runway. He still lands and stops in the first 3000' while doing it.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
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There are six wheels on each main truck on the 777. I hear that Timbo likes to taunt Newk by landing on just one of the six and holding the rest off the rest of the runway. He still lands and stops in the first 3000' while doing it.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
That's how you're supposed to land right? One wheel at a time, right? I thought everyone did it like that! Hey, if you can't grease it on in Dubai, with 14,500' available and calm winds, you might as well take up golf!
But Scambo is right, it is the easiest landing airplane I've flown yet. Very forgiving with all those extra tires to absorb your impact!
There are six wheels on each main truck on the 777. I hear that Timbo likes to taunt Newk by landing on just one of the six and holding the rest off the rest of the runway. He still lands and stops in the first 3000' while doing it.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
And he can keep 250 knots not to the marker but to 1005'. He then is fully configured and stabilized at 1001'.
"You're turn new." He says.
If opportunity knocks and he's not home, opportunity waits.
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You guys not interested in this?
Per lca, 75/76 fleet now first to get tablets by the end of this year. Use your own or company provided Surface
Per lca, 75/76 fleet now first to get tablets by the end of this year. Use your own or company provided Surface
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If we can't use it for charts, can't use it below 10000, can't connect to the internet in flight, can't do my bids or recurrent on it, then no... it's just another heavy expensive brick I have to take out at security. Make it really functional and maybe I'll find it useful. It kinda makes sense since it sounds like the 717 program is getting a bit behind. I'm sure Microsoft has a warehouse filled with unsold Surfaces they're looking to unload.
When I first checked out as my fist Capt. job on the MD88, I had the FAA on the jumpseat to watch on the last leg. His one critique was that I rotated slowly...
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?
The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
If the guys in the DFW 727 no-flap takeoff (1987) had rotated slower, they might have been able to fly it off, it was a 12,000 runway. Ever since that accident I've never been in a hurry to "jerk it off"....so to speak!
I mentioned that since we had departed from a 10,000' runway, with no obstacles, wouldn't we be much better off, rudder control and climb wise, if we had lost an engine at V1, with the extra 10 knots...?

The only time I worry about getting up quickly and being right on V2 is if it's a very short runway or there is an obstacle to be cleared, and 99% of the time, there isn't.
If the guys in the DFW 727 no-flap takeoff (1987) had rotated slower, they might have been able to fly it off, it was a 12,000 runway. Ever since that accident I've never been in a hurry to "jerk it off"....so to speak!
Well said sir. I was in SVO when the 767 tailstrike happened. I heard it was a new hire FO, which makes sense because at the time the sim instructors were all breathing down your neck (literally) about "getting that nose up to V2-V2+10 right away!!!" The sim just doesn't rotate like an aft CG 7ER on a cold day. Maybe he rotated early too, I don't know, but I completely agree we are teaching a method that should really be considered a Transport Category airplane's version of a short field takeoff. No need to do anything quickly in a 400,000lb airplane.
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