Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1405065)

No, my reply would be a MD88. ;)

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1405062)

In defense of the line pilot, even I had a difficult time with the analysis. I remain unsure if the 717 was a distraction to facilitate the taking of more capable RJ's AND resetting the outsourcing incentives through facilitating the Pinnacle transaction. More than a few Pinnacle insiders seem to have strong opinions on Delta's contract 2015.

ALPA vigorously denies C2012 was linked to Pinnacle and /or more outsourcing, but it sure was convenient that our cops did not observe the break in. Further, as soon as objective evidence was brought forward they trotted "the Judge" out to stop Reps' queries into blatant violations of our C&BL and Admin Manual.

The irony was that our current Admin would be called to pay for the sins of the previous Admin, likely restoring the previous Admin to power .... a well engineered political catch 22 if I've ever seen one.

But it is truly sad to see how far we will go to facilitate outsourcing. At the top we must really believe in this stuff.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1405062)

But it is truly sad to see how far we will go to facilitate outsourcing. At the top we must really believe in this stuff.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1405071)

And then tomorrow you will be espousing how great our union is and the organization is doing a fantastic job and raise a glass to our union.

I agree with everything you say here and the issues you raise bar (no pun intended) but your schizophrenia on the subject of DALPA and your own desire to be loyal to the group seem to be in direct conflict with your own personal beliefs. That said, I do appreciate your commentary. Keep it coming.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1405037)

keeping hope alive is important to keeping the peace.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1405038)

Prior to our current contract a fair number of folks were espousing the "Not one more pound, not one more seat, not one more jet" mantra....

The problem is DALPA negotiators failed to hold the line on scope. That's bad enough, but the pilot group ratified their negotiating failure with a resounding 68% "yes" vote. So as long as Delta pilots keep "caving" on scope, the company will keep asking for more.

Honestly, can you blame them?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1405093)

Jack,

Kindly do not mistake pragmatism for schizophrenia. ALPA will likely survive the politicians & admin who do not understand unity and who don't care for the democratic process. ALPA is a the only effective representational tool in our professional box. Our union is not the politicians. Politicians come and go. We pilots are ALPA and hopefully there will be an ALPA as long as there are professional pilots.

Besides, I'd rather be in a sightly disfunctional ALPA than have to face them at the table representing Pinnacle and Express Jet against us.

This union belongs to you and me. Better to try to change it's course than to scuttle it.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1405121)

We tried our little uprising by electing new reps that threw out our MEC chairman and his loyalists. Moak responded by negotiating changes to our Section 1 without even consulting our newly elected leadership. I'm certain Moak had many other shots to fire if it had been necessary...but it was not necessary. Our new leaders now know their place and are silent.

Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1405031)

Is it just me or do all the "new" aircraft rumors die faster than they are hatched?

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1405176)

Blah, blah, blah....

Is the whining EVER gonna stop???

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1359261)

Thanks for reminding me why I quit posting here. You six guys can go back to your ALPA bash fest.