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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1405900)
I can't argue your logic vis-a-vis having a lot of big airplanes when times are good etc etc... THAT is management's job to sort out. And so far, our team has done a great job. As far as decoupling pay, I am sure nothing I can say is gonna change your mind, and frankly I am growing weary of trying. (although I am not gonna stop whenever the opportunity to say I told you so presents itself) I have had a fairly fortunate career. I am sitting in my retirement seat and I will be 53 this summer. I couldn't care less about the 747/777/330... well maybe I will go fly the 2x4 someday.. but that's it. So my point is that I have no dog in the fight other than leaving a better career than I found. We can still make sure that the Ninjas like Carl continue to benefit all alone, and that those like him that happened to be in the right place at the right time are handsomely rewarded... or.. we can pursue alternate methodologies. Either way, doesn't affect me one way or the other. I just think it is a shame that misplaced greed (and that is what it boils down to) takes precedence over what would be better for the group going forward.
There's no question that with the loss of the retirement, the way we look at pay, seniority and other things have to change. However, in this regard, I haven't gotten my head around the entire issue. When I do, and the lightbulb goes on, I'll share it with religious fervor. For the time being, I'm jst operating within the system to maximize the variables of w-2 and QOL. I don't think the answer is as simplistic as a flattened payscale - It causes unforeseen other issues. It would be an interesting exercise, if everything paid the same, to find out what each individual pilot would choose to bid and spreadsheet it out. In my own heart, I don't know what I would choose. I think my problem (and maybe others) would be decoupling w-2 from what sort of flying I actually enjoyed the most. I think I peaked (enjoyment-wise) flying the -er to europe, but I also enjoyed the extreme simplicity of the 737-200 operation (minus the twisted sisters). There's no question when I left the 73 and went to the 764, I was super excited, but it had to do with $$$ for less work. End of the day, I don't disagree with you, I just can't agree with you. I simply don't know the answer to how our payscale should go. |
Pay us by the duty hour.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1405813)
It's next to impossible to get out for movie night so I doubt I'll get to see that movie, but Bradley Cooper is turning out to be really good at this acting thing.
Seriously, I could do that. Like, in real life. I gotta go, I'll be back in 2 minutes. |
Bring back the 732.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1405927)
Please. Stand next to Jennifer Lawrence while the whole world identifies with you trying to hook up with her. I could do that.
Seriously, I could do that. Like, in real life. I gotta go, I'll be back in 2 minutes. Btw, good luck and I hope she says yes! :D |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1405929)
Touché ........
Btw, good luck and I hope she says yes! :D Yeah I know I should start working on a plan B. Chicks are complicated. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1405936)
OK I'm back. I hope she says yes too, although since I haven't asked her anything yet I'm pretty much hoping she reads this thread, likes my style and googlestalks me agressively to get with me and stuff.
Yeah I know I should start working on a plan B. Chicks are complicated. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...0/35839510.jpg |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1405900)
I can't argue your logic vis-a-vis having a lot of big airplanes when times are good etc etc... THAT is management's job to sort out. And so far, our team has done a great job. As far as decoupling pay, I am sure nothing I can say is gonna change your mind, and frankly I am growing weary of trying. (although I am not gonna stop whenever the opportunity to say I told you so presents itself) I have had a fairly fortunate career. I am sitting in my retirement seat and I will be 53 this summer. I couldn't care less about the 747/777/330... well maybe I will go fly the 2x4 someday.. but that's it. So my point is that I have no dog in the fight other than leaving a better career than I found. We can still make sure that the Ninjas like Carl continue to benefit all alone, and that those like him that happened to be in the right place at the right time are handsomely rewarded... or.. we can pursue alternate methodologies. Either way, doesn't affect me one way or the other. I just think it is a shame that misplaced greed (and that is what it boils down to) takes precedence over what would be better for the group going forward.
T, What you say makes a lot of sense and I believe that our pay system will change, but very, very slowly over time, toward something like what you have been saying. The current pay system made a lot of sense when our defined benefit amount was based on our "high three." Then it made sense for the top few guys to make the big bucks, because that was what would determine our pensions. Well that system is history and with the 401K and the time value of money (Hmmm - where have I heard that before) it makes a lot more sense to push higher earnings forward in our careers. On the last contract we brought the 88 pay up to the 90 pay-rate - a very small move in the right direction, not much but it is a start. I think as more and more guys think about this issue DALPA will start investigating alternatives. I have no idea what they should, or will eventually come up with but the first step is making everyone aware of the issue and discussing it. In that regard your posts are very informative and helpful - keep em coming. :) Scoop |
You're probably right, scoop.
Personally, I'm for more of a hybrid system like what UA/CO has. 88/90/319/320/737/738+717!!!! should all be on the same pay band... 321/739/757 is another logical band, the 767/753 could perhaps be another logical band, and then drop all the big dogs in the top tier one. Someone is going to get very angry at what I just wrote. So, bring it on. :) |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1405900)
I can't argue your logic vis-a-vis having a lot of big airplanes when times are good etc etc... THAT is management's job to sort out. And so far, our team has done a great job. As far as decoupling pay, I am sure nothing I can say is gonna change your mind, and frankly I am growing weary of trying. (although I am not gonna stop whenever the opportunity to say I told you so presents itself) I have had a fairly fortunate career. I am sitting in my retirement seat and I will be 53 this summer. I couldn't care less about the 747/777/330... well maybe I will go fly the 2x4 someday.. but that's it. So my point is that I have no dog in the fight other than leaving a better career than I found. We can still make sure that the Ninjas like Carl continue to benefit all alone, and that those like him that happened to be in the right place at the right time are handsomely rewarded... or.. we can pursue alternate methodologies. Either way, doesn't affect me one way or the other. I just think it is a shame that misplaced greed (and that is what it boils down to) takes precedence over what would be better for the group going forward.
Carl |
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