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06-18-2013 | 11:32 AM
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06-18-2013 | 11:33 AM
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Delta responds to court decision on Ex-Im financing
Appeals court agrees with Delta that Ex-Im Bank failed to consider effect of financing on U.S. airline jobs
ATLANTA, June 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (DAL) today issued the following statement:
"Today the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a challenge by Delta Air Lines and the Air Line Pilots Association to the Export-Import Bank's issuance of loan guarantees for the sale of 30 long-range, widebody aircraft to Air India. Delta and ALPA had argued that the subsidies would have harmful effects on U.S. airlines and their employees. The federal appeals court held that, before issuing its loan guarantees to Air India, the Bank was required by its governing statute to consider the effects that the loan guarantees would have on U.S. industries and U.S. jobs.
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"According to the court, the Bank failed to explain its exclusion of aircraft transactions from economic impact review. The court also rejected the Bank's attempt to suggest that it was immune from judicial review. The Bank now will be required to take the complaints of industry participants seriously before proceeding with potentially harmful subsidies to foreign airlines."
Delta, along with the Air Line Pilots Association, has raised concerns over the past several years about the impact of the Bank's lending on U.S. airlines and their employees. Export-Import financing for widebody international aircraft puts thousands of U.S. airline jobs at risk by subsidizing foreign carriers that compete directly with Delta and other U.S. airlines on key international routes.
Appeals court agrees with Delta that Ex-Im Bank failed to consider effect of financing on U.S. airline jobs
ATLANTA, June 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (DAL) today issued the following statement:
"Today the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a challenge by Delta Air Lines and the Air Line Pilots Association to the Export-Import Bank's issuance of loan guarantees for the sale of 30 long-range, widebody aircraft to Air India. Delta and ALPA had argued that the subsidies would have harmful effects on U.S. airlines and their employees. The federal appeals court held that, before issuing its loan guarantees to Air India, the Bank was required by its governing statute to consider the effects that the loan guarantees would have on U.S. industries and U.S. jobs.
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"According to the court, the Bank failed to explain its exclusion of aircraft transactions from economic impact review. The court also rejected the Bank's attempt to suggest that it was immune from judicial review. The Bank now will be required to take the complaints of industry participants seriously before proceeding with potentially harmful subsidies to foreign airlines."
Delta, along with the Air Line Pilots Association, has raised concerns over the past several years about the impact of the Bank's lending on U.S. airlines and their employees. Export-Import financing for widebody international aircraft puts thousands of U.S. airline jobs at risk by subsidizing foreign carriers that compete directly with Delta and other U.S. airlines on key international routes.
06-18-2013 | 11:38 AM
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Question for the 76 guys...how often are you weight limited SEA to PEK? Family members went, last to get on...15 open seats left, bags were pulled for weight for approx 15 pax nonrev and rev. Now I see we are doing Sea to Shanghai with the same aircraft.
06-18-2013 | 11:41 AM
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DL wasn't agianst subsidies or even BA subsidies. They were only against foreign widebody subsidies to airlines that compete with US airlines. That's all they even tried to bring up. The rest of the corportist agenda is safe from DL's lobbying let alone the congress critters.
06-18-2013 | 12:06 PM
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06-18-2013 | 12:23 PM
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Not sure what you're asking....
I was quantifiying the previous poster's assertion that ALPA would benefit more from 40,000 "moderately" paid pilots(RJ), versus 20,000 "highly" paid pilots (mainline). I contend that is not the case.
A vast majority of the growth was at NON-ALPA DCI anyway!
ACA - gone (ALPA)
CMR - gone (ALPA)
XJT - LAX DCI terminated (ALPA)
ASA - pretty much stable, some growth (ALPA)
MESA - DCI cancelled (ALPA)
CPZ - mostly stable sized (~100 pilot growth) (ALPA)
PNCL - shrinking (ALPA)
MSA - shrunk and merged (ALPA)
SKYW- lots of growth (non union)
GOJET- new DCI. (Non-ALPA)
CHQ - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
shuttle Amer. - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
I was quantifiying the previous poster's assertion that ALPA would benefit more from 40,000 "moderately" paid pilots(RJ), versus 20,000 "highly" paid pilots (mainline). I contend that is not the case.
A vast majority of the growth was at NON-ALPA DCI anyway!
ACA - gone (ALPA)
CMR - gone (ALPA)
XJT - LAX DCI terminated (ALPA)
ASA - pretty much stable, some growth (ALPA)
MESA - DCI cancelled (ALPA)
CPZ - mostly stable sized (~100 pilot growth) (ALPA)
PNCL - shrinking (ALPA)
MSA - shrunk and merged (ALPA)
SKYW- lots of growth (non union)
GOJET- new DCI. (Non-ALPA)
CHQ - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
shuttle Amer. - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
Long term the RJ has been a problem for everyone except the manufacturers.
06-18-2013 | 12:27 PM
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Correcto - we'll see B747-8 in Atlanta in the future.. just flown by one of our many codeshare partners:
AIR SHOW: Korean Air To Order Five More 747-8 Passenger Jets -- Source
AIR SHOW: Korean Air To Order Five More 747-8 Passenger Jets -- Source
06-18-2013 | 12:47 PM
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I think in this instance ALPA was thinking like a business. Perhaps airline management or a consultant said that overall, ALPA will get more dues $$$ and more political power by expanding the regionals.
ie - rather than say (completely made up numbers) 20,000 well paid pilots, 40,000 pilots who are paid moderate wages will result in more dues $$$ and more power for ALPA.
ie - rather than say (completely made up numbers) 20,000 well paid pilots, 40,000 pilots who are paid moderate wages will result in more dues $$$ and more power for ALPA.
ALPA had (and has) a role in the furlough of Delta pilots and the "regionalization" of work rules. They both stem from ALPA leaders who allowed and fought for a different, lower, standard of Delta pilot called Delta Connection.
The furloughs of the last decade were completely unnecessary and avoidable. Delta hired more pilots within Delta's brand than were furloughed.
ALPA failed by breaking unity. ALPA has not learned from the mistakes of the past, yet. We should be fighting for one, higher standard, for all pilots. Not separating those within the class and craft of Delta pilots.
The furloughs of the last decade were completely unnecessary and avoidable. Delta hired more pilots within Delta's brand than were furloughed.
ALPA failed by breaking unity. ALPA has not learned from the mistakes of the past, yet. We should be fighting for one, higher standard, for all pilots. Not separating those within the class and craft of Delta pilots.
A vast majority of the growth was at NON-ALPA DCI anyway!
ACA - gone (ALPA)
CMR - gone (ALPA)
XJT - LAX DCI terminated (ALPA)
ASA - pretty much stable, some growth (ALPA)
MESA - DCI cancelled (ALPA)
CPZ - mostly stable sized (~100 pilot growth) (ALPA)
PNCL - shrinking (ALPA)
MSA - shrunk and merged (ALPA)
SKYW- lots of growth (non union)
GOJET- new DCI. (Non-ALPA)
CHQ - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
shuttle Amer. - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
ACA - gone (ALPA)
CMR - gone (ALPA)
XJT - LAX DCI terminated (ALPA)
ASA - pretty much stable, some growth (ALPA)
MESA - DCI cancelled (ALPA)
CPZ - mostly stable sized (~100 pilot growth) (ALPA)
PNCL - shrinking (ALPA)
MSA - shrunk and merged (ALPA)
SKYW- lots of growth (non union)
GOJET- new DCI. (Non-ALPA)
CHQ - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
shuttle Amer. - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
The posters above are discussing primarily the post 2001 period. As your data above clearly shows, ALPA led the way in outsourcing mainline flying and those pilot's jobs with 8 large regionals represented by ALPA. The 4 new regionals that you're highlighting now in an attempt to shift focus away from ALPA's complicity, actually makes another point. It shows the complete failure of the Moak doctrine of gaining ALPA members as being the key to ALPA's future strength. All it's done is highlight the whipsaw of the old shrinking ALPA regionals that started it all, by the new non-ALPA regionals.
An ALPA fail on all fronts...and a management win on all fronts. That is of course unless there is no difference between ALPA and airline managements. If the Moak doctrine is really nothing more than giving managements what they say they need, and hope benefits trickle down to pilots, then I guess we're all seeing the trickling of this experiment.
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06-18-2013 | 01:20 PM
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06-18-2013 | 03:18 PM
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