Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1435446)

I read this, and had to make a comment. You don't like what our union is doing to our careers? Are you really angry? Well, do something about it! Run for office! Do some committee work! If you haven't done anything, I can only assume that you're either too lazy, or too risk averse to run for a position.

Like the other keyboard commandoes, you do nothing but sit on the sidelines, throwing rocks at the people who are actually trying to improve our prospects. Do you really think that you can effect change while sitting in your boxers in your hotel room, hammering away on a keyboard?

Despite what you may think, what is said on this board doesn't alter the course of our union. To even a greater extent than the ALPA message boards, this is becoming a forum for the disaffected outliers. Rational, balanced views are met with criticism and personal attacks.

Do you actually wonder why so many people have left this forum? I used to be on here frequently (back in the ACL65 days, when there was good information to be found here). Now, this thread is worth no more than an occasional drive-by. There still are some worthwhile posters on here (no, you're not one of 'em), but their voices are being drowned out by too many keyboard commandoes.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1435674)

What's the point of this? Why don't you complete the square? You haven't even solved for X.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1435699)

Hey Ts,

Before you leave. Maybe you could address the possibility of a merger. If all Delta pilots (old and new) would get paid the same regardless of how the integration went, how you would imagine the SLI would go?

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1435716)

The point is if FTB doesn't put up a chart or graph every so often his mind starts thinking about coriolis effect, or if all the old unused New Coke is stored in that shut down, half-completed nuclear waste facility in Nevada, and those thoughts result in him doing things like missing crosstie relay messages on the OAP as he takes the runway. It's better for everyone involved if we just give him a hearty, "Nice chart!" and not stymie his creative thoughts lest we dare risk his mind going to places it shouldn't.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1435694)

What are you talking about? Whose starting over?

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1435124)

Many years ago ALPA used a Weight, Speed, seating capacity type formula, to derive rates of pay for many different airframes, but bankruptcy threw that out the window years ago, which is why a 747 now pays the same as the 777. The Max gross T/O wt. of the 777-200LR is about 768,000, I'm not sure what the 747-400's is. I'm guessing it's more than that. Carl?

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1435676)

Also a cool website called howstuffworks.com

That's how I figured out how to land the DC-9

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1435596)

I like the whole breadth of our posters. From Finis72 to Purple, each and everyone of us brings something to the table.

Now, lets bring everybody back. I have a real JUICY rumor. Its a start but here it goes:

**9 747s need a home and the little black birdie tells me they might come our way.

Have a great day and god bless that beautiful child that passed.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1435446)

I read this, and had to make a comment. You don't like what our union is doing to our careers? Are you really angry? Well, do something about it! Run for office! Do some committee work! If you haven't done anything, I can only assume that you're either too lazy, or too risk averse to run for a position.

Like the other keyboard commandoes, you do nothing but sit on the sidelines, throwing rocks at the people who are actually trying to improve our prospects. Do you really think that you can effect change while sitting in your boxers in your hotel room, hammering away on a keyboard?

Despite what you may think, what is said on this board doesn't alter the course of our union. To even a greater extent than the ALPA message boards, this is becoming a forum for the disaffected outliers. Rational, balanced views are met with criticism and personal attacks.

Do you actually wonder why so many people have left this forum? I used to be on here frequently (back in the ACL65 days, when there was good information to be found here). Now, this thread is worth no more than an occasional drive-by. There still are some worthwhile posters on here (no, you're not one of 'em), but their voices are being drowned out by too many keyboard commandoes.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1435460)

Most get involved in Union work because they are angry. Not all, but many. You want to affect change, do something, anything. P2P is a good way to start.

I know you are going to lambast me for suggesting to volunteer when one is not happy, but being told to volunteer when I had concern after concern is exactly what I did. It's not the end all, but its a start.

We as a pilot group need critical mass of our group. A divided group results in less leverage. How much less? Unknown, but looking inward and infighting that is not looking to improve the union nor the results means we are focusing on less process and product which directly effects every Delta Pilot and their family. The reach of this is not just 11,700 pilots but their families. That results in probably close to 100,000 lives being effected by a group not focusing on showing up to meetings demanding changes in whatever they see as wrong, and instead looking for a "easy" button that offers change without specifics,and unrealistic cure-alls .

The work may not be easy, and probably will be painstakingly frustrating for you, but I honestly feel that is more pilots double-downed on their careers and their union the results would be tangible.

Just my .02.