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Old 07-05-2013 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
alfa,

Are you really bragging that we got an early retirement program that the rest of the employees got the previous year? In my book, it was an epic fail that we didn't get the program with the other employees, then bought off on the the proposition that it was a "gift" included to sweeten the new contract. Just like the "gifts" of the 717 and retired 50 seat RJ's. Oh, and my favorite, the max of 14 hours of duty for short call reserve.

When I buy my kids sweaters and school supplies for Christmas, they know the deal (we were going to get them those things anyway.) Why don't we?
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Let's not even mention the 5% cut in profit sharing to "help" fund the raises. Anyone else have a problem with this?
Old 07-05-2013 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
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Let's not even mention the 5% cut in profit sharing to "help" fund the raises. Anyone else have a problem with this?
That was one of the reasons I was a "no" voter. One of many reasons.
Old 07-05-2013 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
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Let's not even mention the 5% cut in profit sharing to "help" fund the raises. Anyone else have a problem with this?
I'm pretty much a Doubting Thomas in regards to anything DALPA. I have never voted yes for a contract. I didn't have a problem with this item.

As an hourly wage worker, I'm no manager, I want my money every month. I don't really care if the Company makes a small profit or a large profit. It's really none of my business. Did I say I'm not a manager? I show up. I do my job. I go home.

Here is my point: Replacing uncertain profit sharing with a regular wage was not a problem for me. I don't think profit incentives are useful for a non-management, hourly wage worker.
Old 07-05-2013 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
I assume you'll turn down the flow since you think so little of your future co-workers??? We're all a bunch of rollovers with no spine eh?

Here's a better idea: Thank us when your turn comes up and you watch DCI shrink from your 717 seat. You WILL have to get used to flying 45 minute legs, 5 times a day! Hope you're not above it
You need to accept that we moved the line in scope allowing more large rj's again. We can't fix the problem until we admit that we have a problem. Our small raises were funded by this. Junglebus is watching the 50 seaters at the regionals disappear and get replaced by 70 seaters. This is now happening at American and United thanks to us.
Old 07-05-2013 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I'm pretty much a Doubting Thomas in regards to anything DALPA. I have never voted yes for a contract. I didn't have a problem with this item.

As an hourly wage worker, I'm no manager, I want my money every month. I don't really care if the Company makes a small profit or a large profit. It's really none of my business. Did I say I'm not a manager? I show up. I do my job. I go home.

Here is my point: Replacing uncertain profit sharing with a regular wage was not a problem for me. I don't think profit incentives are useful for a non-management, hourly wage worker.
I agree with you. I had no problem with this part. I don't think ALPA should have included this money in the raise percentage when they were selling us the contract.
Old 07-05-2013 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
alfa,

Are you really bragging that we got an early retirement program that the rest of the employees got the previous year?
not to mention that ALPA grossly overestimated the number of early-out takers while pushing the TA on us.
Old 07-05-2013 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
My buddy was out sick for 3 consecutive trips. Not one call. Maybe....just maybe the guys that are receiving calls have shown a pattern?
Banging out 3 consecutive trips sure seems like a pattern developing. Your bud may very well be put on the watch list. That should be the concern.
Old 07-05-2013 | 06:21 AM
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What's up with sick verification? I keep getting emails from ALPA, and DPA about verification.... Is the company asking for verification inside of 100 hours? If so on what grounds? Is this rumor or true?
Old 07-05-2013 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
....the "bad stuff":



One thing I know for certain. I was never lied to. The "they lied to us" theme is just the latest tactic from Carl's crowd to try and gain support, which only divides us further. I read the contract. Yes, actually read it, not relied on a slideshow, and made my decision. It wasn't perfect, but it was certainly an improvement.

I filled out a card for Carl's group several years ago because their talking points sounded good. As I've dug a little deeper, I've come to realize that ALPA is not the root of all evil (nor is it perfect.)
Lied is a strong word. They sold it. Selling is an art. ALPA is a master artist in this regard. Tell people what they want to hear. I had guys my seniority who were acting like gitty little school girls thinking they would be captains because we were getting the 717. They came away with that conclusion! Misled? I think so. These same guys have been hammered because of the RJ and somehow thought we could get more, larger RJs and it was a win. My argument "why outsource vastly superior equipment? Let them keep the money losing equipment. We finally had the whole RJ industry over a barrel = major leverage!"

ALPA and MGT both want to diversify their pot of honey imo. They don't want too much of the network in our hands. It was a win for both. Ironic that the very group that could have shot this down and has been hurt the most by the RJ, supported it. I'd call that a good sales job!

I don't think ALPA is evil, they just look out for ALPA's interest. The other group would be only our interest represented at the table.
Old 07-05-2013 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Banging out 3 consecutive trips sure seems like a pattern developing. Your bud may very well be put on the watch list. That should be the concern.
Well....you see...it isn't a pattern. It's one sick call simply because he never called in well. He had to have spinal fusion surgery to repair bulging disks that were pressing into a nerve. The result of the bulging discs was chronic pain, & his arm going numb. So it was unverified sick time. Then he chose to call and verify it because he would exceed 100 hours of usage.

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