That may be the case, but at least you will have more guys behind you. I never try to guess what will happen in the future and I know nobody who knows anything, but I'll bet we don't stop hiring for a very long time going forward.

 

So is it Furlough Bypass + the 300? Reading conflicting info...

 

It is good there is some hiring/recalling coming. With that said, if your union...be it ALPA, DPA, Jimmy Hoffa and the boys, etc, ever suggests giving more productivity for airplanes, money, bigger lockers, or anything else......just say HELL NO! We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot and get our careers back on track.

 

I was one of those guys; furloughed Jan02, recalled by NWA in Aug 07. At the time of the recall, I had 15 years of AD so I changed from furlough to ML status and was able to stay AD to get my 20 yrs. Good to be back.

 

The one I knew was intending to come back when they knew they wouldn't be stuck on the 88. I think their plan was to come back to a WB in ATL but as a late 2001 hire I'm not sure if that will work out as they want but they're still coming.

Estimating 300 additional pilots to staff the operation through the end of 2014. Filling those spots will begin by contacting 200 bypass pilots.

So I read that as 300 of which 200 could be bypass and 100 new hires up to 300 new hires if there are 0 bypass guys who return.

 

yes & no.

 

I make the above statement due to the belief that they'll need more than 300 additional pilots to staff the airline by the end of 2014. (i.e. school house congestion)

My prediction is that they'll hire 550 pilots by the time we're discussing pilot hiring for 2015. (Just a SWAG.)

GJ

 

I'll even go 600 total hired. Like I said earlier, I don't know anyone who knows anything, but what they say is typically half what they really need. That along with the unknown retirement situation and I'll bet a chicken fried steak dinner it ends up more than 300.

 

They guy I know is closing in on age 60 and either way he will be a narrowbody FO. Still upset about getting furloughed twice at NWA and doesn't want anything to do with a "Legacy". B6 is a good place if you like NYC and never want to be a captain.

 

I'm hoping 300 becomes the "start in January and then hiring indefinitely after that" that keeps being bandied about.

If you go back to January 2013, we had 56 scheduled retirements in 2013 with 21 already retired and 35 that will retire. There will be 121 in 2014 for a total of 177.

If you look at the seniority list in Jan vs now, we've had 61 leave. However, that's the seniority list and I didn't go through to check the percentage of those scheduled for retirement or who have left were actually line pilots. But anyways, by that number 40 more have left than the scheduled 21 and I think that's the norm.

Anyways, what is the delivery rate with the 717s? 6 in Oct and 3 a month after that? Assume 100% of the 739s are non growth for a moment and we've been told 100% of the 717s are growth, so that's:

• 48 B717s x rumored 7 crews / 14 pilots per jet = 672 needed pilots.
• 270ish pilots were funded internally in the March AE plus whatever changed in the recent one, but stick with 270. We still need 402 717 pilots (672 - 270).
• Plus 177 retirement replacements.
• We need 672 - 270 + 177 pilots or 579 pilots.

Why is it only 300 if it's already known the 717s are all growth plus retirements?