Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-15-2013 | 03:38 AM
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07-15-2013 | 04:12 AM
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I'm trying to understand this system of flowthroughs and guaranteed interviews, but in the words of "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer", it "frightens and confuses me."
From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.
So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.
I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?
If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
From the Compass section on this website...
Delta will offer employment to an eligible Compass pilot before any other pilot candidate for hire in seniority order. To be eligible, a Compass pilot must: (1) be a Captain; and (2) have at least 30 months on payroll.
Unless waived by Delta & Compass, the max number of Compass pilots flowing up to Delta will be the lesser of: (1) 25% of total Compass pilots in any rolling 12-months, or (2) 20 per month.
So according to this site, Compass has 439 pilots. 25% would be 110 pilots in 12 months. The lesser of the two would be roughly 9-10 a month versus 20.
I can't imagine Compass would let everybody who is eligible go as soon as there is a class. Especially with the increase in ATP mins, who will replace them? "Unless waived by Delta & Compass" seems to be their loophole. Any chance Compass tells Delta, "we can't afford to let these guys go just quite yet."? Who ensures both parties are holding up to this agreement?
If I'm misunderstanding this, please explain it. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
The method necessary to minimize the number of compass flow ups is to hire a large number of pilots each month. If the company hired 100 pilots at the rate of 20/month, all of them would be from compass. If the company hired 100 pilots all in one month, only 20 would be from Compass.
On a side note, in 2010 Compass wanted 6 months from the announcement from Delta to the first Compass pilot leaving the property. It appears this time they got closer to that so there might not be hold backs for everyone like last time.
07-15-2013 | 04:24 AM
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Really disappointed in you FIIGMO. Cancer from the "other side"? Really? You probably don't even know what "side" Drank is from. Not too long ago you bitterly complained about fNWA guys possibly bumping you out of your Seattle base because of the unfair SLI in your view. Yet Delta didn't have a Seattle base prior to the merger, only NWA did. Now you post this hateful stuff? You don't even know what you're talking about and it makes you sound like one of those few Delta pilots that give all of us a bad name.
There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
07-15-2013 | 04:28 AM
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YGTBSM!!! Everyone ****ing on your cheerios? Honestly, have you even thought about the drivel spouting from your bungy? You are a cancer from the other side that is not positive nor worthy of any pilot sharing a beer with you. You oooze pathetic distain and emulate ideologues that do not listen to fact or debate! ALPA right or wrong is of no fact to you, that is obvious. Did you kill cats as a kid?
07-15-2013 | 05:12 AM
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Your viewpoint is skewed by the fact that there hasn't been a merger for you. You work in a world (the whale) isolated from former Southies. Your "outward niceties" come from a bunch of internet weenies. I've had the pleasure of throwing gear for a BUNCH of former Northies and have shared a few beers with ALL of them on overnights. In terms of a merger, we're a LOT more alike than we are different.........
Between you and me, I think being on a fenced fleet does isolate us from the "integration" in good and bad ways. I believe my perspective is skewed due to this, in ways I'm not even aware of.
For me, the SLI is over, done, and behind us. The only way for me to tell if a pilot is fnwa is if they tell me. Good or bad, from where I sit, we're all in this together.
As you know I'm a southie.
I can understand how fnwa pilots believe that the union has been more inclusive of south guys, same with the company. I have no hard evidence of this beyond "appearances". Changing this dynamic is beyond the scope of my interest because I don't really see how it matters (see paragraph 2).
I also believe the constructive engagement paradigm is faulty in the way it has played out. We keep giving with very very very little taking involved. If rumors of merger become reality, I think all of us are ready to play some hardball rather than nicey nice. The ak scope clause offers both an opportunity and a threat.
Anyway, I'm digressing. We are one group, period.
07-15-2013 | 05:21 AM
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Really disappointed in you FIIGMO. Cancer from the "other side"? Really? You probably don't even know what "side" Drank is from. Not too long ago you bitterly complained about fNWA guys possibly bumping you out of your Seattle base because of the unfair SLI in your view. Yet Delta didn't have a Seattle base prior to the merger, only NWA did. Now you post this hateful stuff? You don't even know what you're talking about and it makes you sound like one of those few Delta pilots that give all of us a bad name.
There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
Certainly do not agree with your take here Carl, and if I have a point about any FNWA element here I would say it. The Other side is simply the dark side, and I can see where that ref could be taken otherwise in light of the issues. Purple, Peastain, Manager guy, all have the same trait, just be plain angry and mean. NWA had Seattle, it was not the base I was bumped out of at the merger, it was LAX AFTER 2 displacements!!!. My stance has always been the same prior to and during and after the merger. These DELTA displacements in regard to policy do not protect anyone. My desire is for a down but not out of a domicile policy to displacements and mergers. Pilots wanting in, have to wait for an opening that their seniority allows. Which is what I am waiting for in Seattle, my number when it happens.
I am surprised after the time we have been here that you would jump to that conclusion, I guess we just have to take a step back and try a bit more understanding and empathy. Which is the very point I was angrily venting about in my response to purple's drivel (no more empathy for that guy).... I apologize for nothing that I said in my post. Your take is not fair given our record here, my mistake was not clarifying the other side and its unintended consequence. Dark side would have been better but do you not agree that may have generated the same response???? Beer is still on me Carl and I am sure we would drink more than one given the chance...
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07-15-2013 | 05:48 AM
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You strike me as a businessman Carl. This post kinda baffles me.
Have your paychecks bounced? If not, then what's the problem?
That's the only outward nicety that I would care about.
07-15-2013 | 06:26 AM
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You're on the Delta Air Lines seniority list.
I'm on the Delta Air Lines seniority list.
A certain amount of Compass/XJ/9E pilots will be on the Delta Air Lines seniority list soon. (Based on previous agreements arranged by our/their airline management.)
Do I think your question of whether their test was the exact same test you took is egregious? No. I think it lacks a little class, because at this point, what's done is done, & I'm looking forward to not being considered a new-hire anymore.
(After five years at the company.) 
I'm on the Delta Air Lines seniority list.
A certain amount of Compass/XJ/9E pilots will be on the Delta Air Lines seniority list soon. (Based on previous agreements arranged by our/their airline management.)
Do I think your question of whether their test was the exact same test you took is egregious? No. I think it lacks a little class, because at this point, what's done is done, & I'm looking forward to not being considered a new-hire anymore.
(After five years at the company.) 
07-15-2013 | 06:51 AM
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ALPA, you mean the union that without their negotiations with Northwest you would have had a snowball's chance in hell of coming over to mainline in 2010? that ALPA? ALPA may not be perfect but man you are a piece of work with your gratitude.
07-15-2013 | 06:59 AM
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Is purple a flow? I thought a while back he said he was PMDL.
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