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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1451431)
Perhaps the single most mind boggling thing to me about ALPA, is the vast amount of money we spend on experts and lawyers yet every single time we always seem to be looking back saying W T F. When negotiating these deals, is it done during a dinner party with cocktails and scantily clad women?:confused:
Part of the issue is Labor in the airline industry has been effectively marginalized by the laws in place, and no, there is absolutely no incentive to provide anything more to a labor group until end state section 6. You will respond that ALPA needs to change the RLA, and that is a great idea, but even now, we may end us hurting ourselves more than we help. End state section 6 is at least in 2017 if not later. Pilots have clearly stated they want progression now, so what does that leave us with? Yep, proactive negotiations. It does help that we would for a company making money, but it does not mean it will be forked over. Reality of the world around you may suck, but the reality inside our world is the incentive for you company to pay you one more cent, is well, minimal. |
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
(Post 1451950)
Good stuff Buzz. :)
I wonder if he's elected, could people refer to him as "Oscar MAYOR Weiner"? |
Check Essential,
Please attend the C44 meeting 11 AM August 1. Captain Rick Dominguez is "the man" who thought up these agreements & today maintains leadership on these issues. If anyone has questions, or input, this is an opportunity to learn and have your voice heard by the leadership that matters (it can be imagined our MEC Chairman, most of the negotiating committee, Committee experts) will be there. All these men want to grow Delta's "share" of these agreements. BB |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1451755)
Uh oh....looks like RA is firing another shot across Alaska's bow. Yee frikkin haa!
Delta Adds New and Enhanced Service at Los Angeles Business and leisure customers benefit from airline's continued LAX expansion Jul 25, 2013 LOS ANGELES, July 25, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) will debut increased domestic service beginning this fall at Los Angeles International Airport with new daily flights to four destinations and expanded service to nine existing markets. (Logo: Login) Delta currently operates more than 115 peak-day departures to 40 destinations from Los Angeles, and every flight offers BusinessElite/First Class and Economy Comfort seating. Additionally, every domestic flight features Wi-Fi service. Delta's new and expanded Los Angeles service includes (effective dates): Pacific Northwest service with four new daily flights to Portland, Ore.*, as well as two additional daily flights to Seattle* (Sept. 3) Expanded Bay Area service with three additional daily flights to San Francisco*, two additional daily flights to Oakland, Calif.*, and one additional daily flight to San Jose, Calif.*, (Sept. 3) One additional daily flight to New Orleans (Sept. 3) One additional daily flight to Kansas City, Mo.* (Sept. 3) Additional flights to both Indianapolis and Columbus, Ohio resulting in daily service (Sept. 3) Retimed daily service to Tampa, Fla., and Raleigh, N.C. (Sept. 3) New limited daily service to Missoula, Mont.*, and Kalispell, Mont.* (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5) New limited daily (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5) and Saturday only (Jan. 11 – March 29) service to Jackson Hole, Wyo.* Seasonal limited daily (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5) and Saturday only (Jan. 11 – March 29) service to Bozeman, Mont.* (Dec. 21 – March 29) *A portion of travel for some itineraries may be on the Delta Connection® carriers: Compass Airlines and SkyWest. "Delta is committed to being the preferred airline for our customers in Los Angeles by providing additional service at more convenient times and during key demand periods," said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's senior vice president – Network Planning. "Coupled with our expanding airline partnerships and improved airport customer experience, we offer a superior product in one of the industry's most competitive markets." Delta is remodeling Terminal 5 at LAX in conjunction with its partnership with the City of Los Angeles and Los Angeles World Airports. The current project will double the size of the ticketing lobby and screening checkpoints, open an exclusive, separate Sky Priority lobby and checkpoint, and include renovations to the Delta Sky Club and new baggage carousels. You hear the investor call this week? Hear the response on ALK? He said they were so confident in their relationship with ALK that they are growing SEA, but yeah actions seem to be louder than their words. |
After nearly a decade in the mighty MD88 I'm thinking of moving airplanes. Quick question...if I go to the ER and say after a year decide to move to another plane and take a VD, do I carry my extra year lock to the new plane plus the 2 year freeze on the new training? Or does the VD wipe out any seat lock you have had on the aircraft?
Thanks... |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1451848)
I think the pub events are part of a solution. The dalpa guys have lives too. In general, I don't think anyone really takes issue with the LEC reps. Lately those guys have been really pretty darn good. The issue (which Denny touched on) was the crux..."did you think there was any spin"
Most people read these the same way. You pick up the spin, often, right away. We are left with the sense that there either is no plan or the plan doesn't involve us. Why is there any spin at all? Be blunt. |
Rogue, I agree the deck is stacked in many ways against our profession as far as laws. My record is clear on the TA, I voted yes mainly because section 1 captured scope and returned real jobs back to mainline. Next time I hope we can do even better. My tongue in cheek comment about our lawyers and negotiations with the company is directed at the facts that we seem to be one step behind in many key areas the company is already farther ahead protecting their interests. Next time will we have such a long compliance window? I am certainly all for constructive engagement, it works more than it does not. Many here certainly feel it is a losing position. My concern is we need to convey to our reps that we need stronger consequences (not just language) when the company willfully goes against our contract. Any amount of $$$ is not what the company wants to spend to placate this pilot group. It may not be a lot in terms of the big picture but $$$ is a powerful incentive to re- engage on both sides when it come to compliance....
Fiig |
Originally Posted by Rogue24
(Post 1451973)
You said you talked to Art and Sam M the CS Committee Chairman. You say that Sam was defending the fair share, and then state that is what is in the PWA. Did any of the color these two pilot gave you help you gain some perspective on what is going on? Did they answer or quell any concerns you had about what you thought was going on in these JV's?
Back when this deal was done (and immediately appeared in peril) the CS Committee pointed out we were tracking about where we had been prior to inclusion of Alitalia in our JV. As stated in the previous post, our MEC wants to grow our flying and achieving growth was thought to be well worth the "price" (my characterization) of the expanded measurement window. At the the time it was management's stated intention to grow to 50% of the bigger pie (with AZ filling). Then the European economic decline occurred and Air France was no where near as nimble as Delta in constraining capacity. (news reports at that time reflected the stress Air France and Delta had maintaining their liason amoureuse) Things are changing and Delta's nimble. The British economy is rebounding well and we just added a 7ER flight from Seattle to Heathrow. As I understand it, the VA JV (which is supposed to be live by 1/1/14) is not going to be rolled into our current transatlantic JV. If this continues to be the case then it is probably better for us than adding Virgin to our share. I would argue we are splitting the Atlantic; this is not the "English Channel Joint Venture." Also, Delta said they are not going to merge numbers in any way with Virgin. So we will be able to track the results of that operation transparently on Delta's reports. We here in the bleachers can see that game being played out. The Seattle flight is a win. Also, we have hit our metrics ... time for a Widebody acquisition ... JMHO. |
Originally Posted by MD88Driver
(Post 1451991)
After nearly a decade in the mighty MD88 I'm thinking of moving airplanes. Quick question...if I go to the ER and say after a year decide to move to another plane and take a VD, do I carry my extra year lock to the new plane plus the 2 year freeze on the new training? Or does the VD wipe out any seat lock you have had on the aircraft?
Thanks... VD=Seat Lock MD=Freedom If you go to the ER, you will be there for 2 years unless MD. Coming from the MD88 you will also lose the "character" that Douglas has beat into you. When you lose your "character" you think everything that's not an ER just stinks (except for the 777 which is a bigger and easier ER of course). You'll also find that the 737 sure aint an ER, but you'll have lost the "character" necessary to bid back to the 88. So it is really a Hobson's choice. Good luck on your escape Shawshank. |
Thanks BB. After numerous reroutes into 5 leg days followed by 9 hr layovers I feel like I've already climbed thru the sewage pipe...
Thx for the explanation on bidding..
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1452005)
AE=Seat Lock
VD=Seat Lock MD=Freedom If you go to the ER, you will be there for 2 years unless MD. Coming from the MD88 you will also lose the "character" that Douglas has beat into you. When you lose your "character" you think everything that's not an ER just stinks (except for the 777 which is a bigger and easier ER of course). You'll also find that the 737 sure aint an ER, but you'll have lost the "character" necessary to bid back to the 88. So it is really a Hobson's choice. Good luck on your escape Shawshank. |
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