Its 2500 rt tickets a year, its not a ton of leverage. If we can get something better than what we have, great, but I am not holding my breath. Maybe the MEC just needs to tell them to discontinue the CS agreement.

Speaking of being overstaffed in WB Jets I have seen numerous company communications referring to WBs going into MOD, thus requiring less Pilots to man the fleet.

I do not recall ever seeing a communication saying something along the lines of ... "As the _____ finishes its MOD we will be increasing (really returning) flying thus requiring an AE to staff the _____ fleet."

Whats the deal? Are the MOD lines like the fabled Hotel California, aircraft can check out....... but they can never leave?

Scoop :)

You mean follow the contract as written?

The horror. :eek:

When you talk about calculations, and determining a monetary penalty for this particular contract non-compliance, this is where we fail in an epic manner. We fail because we are (yet again) saying we Delta pilots are A-OK with trading jobs for money.

I agree with monetary damages for every contract violation EXCEPT scope. Scope cannot be traded for money because scope is the only way we have relevance. Jobs are our treasure and the only reason we are paid for a career is if our scope allows us those jobs. We might get a short term pay bump from being paid for the scope sale-du-juor, but long term we lose everything. EVERYTHING.

Carl

I know, I know. But the use of the word "pithy" to describe a f-NWA contractual provision was ... well, uhm, brave?

Of course we will wait and see what Captain Dominguez has to say.

As for resolutions, I'm still stuck on our MEC's exclusion from Delta's pilot labor negotiations for "Delta Flying" with an alter ego pilot group. ALPA's Representation Dept is tasked with justifying why they did nothing wrong, which is a feedback loop for an echo chamber if ever there was one. Just my opinion that the biggest fish we have to fry right now is our representational exclusion.

Our Reps do an outstanding job as Reps. There is also the responsibility to manage our union's business internally. A line pilot does not have an easy path to resolve issues which involve the management of the union. ALPA's Officers have to step up and enforce our Constitution and Bylaws.

In other words, I am confident in the team we have now when we are in the room negotiating. We can not be confident in anything when we are locked out of the room while management negotiates "Delta flying."

That's correct, there was no sales job. I never said anything of the kind. If I thought it was a sales job I would NEVER recommend going to one. I wasn't going to mention any names but if you want to, yes that's who I talked to. I wouldn't go so far as to say Sam was defending the "fair share" position. He just explained to me how it was derived. I disagreed with the it. I think the definition of fair share is defined by the current and active contract not what it used to be before Alitalia...

As far as perspective about this issue goes, there really is not much of anything that we didn't agree on. The company is on track to be WAY out of compliance. We cannot do anything about it now because the measuring period is not up until 3/31/14.

As far as the Pacific negotiation, we don't have a lot of leverage there. Yes it's in the contract but the only consequence of going below the 316 is the removal of the very, very limited codeshare's out of NRT.

I fully believe that they will take my concerns and address the issue in the proper venue.

Denny

I think the MEC is. The contracts states, "With MEC Consent" does it not?

Wouldn't it be wise that when DALPA has no protection beyond this 316 that they look for opportunities to possibly strengthen it? Did you fail to notice that the MEC created time so that they could communicate with the pilots and get their ideas and input on how to go about this? Did you notice that when it was communicated to us that there was not direction given, no LOA TAed, and a very strong worded letter with conditions on acceptance of HND in to the calculation to date certain?

If you didn't realize that how this issue is being managed is totally different than pervious MEC bodies and Administrations. It may not be perfect, and that is OK. DALPA and we the pilots are dealing with trying to find any solution to a mediocre situation with some leverage. It about improving scope imo, not blowing off the PWA.

No idea, but RA did state in the conference call that they will manage capacity expansion carefully. Time will tell.

Who said I wasn't FNWA? Who cares where it came from, its about improving the DALPA PWA, not any former anything!