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FTB, you are one seriously funny dude.
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1417022)
This is incorrect. Under the old contract Delta would have to park or sell 70-seat airframes to take delivery of additional 76-seat RJs (CRJ-900). They could indeed pump and dump but they were capped at 255 70-76 seat airframes. This contract allowed them to keep the existing 70 and 76-seaters AND ADD 70 additional 76-seaters. FWIW prior to thd DAL contract, United and AA only had 70-seat RJs, AA capped exceptionally low and United tied to domestic block hours. CAL and SWA permitted no such aircfaft. Post DAL contract the other airlines: CAL, UAL and AA caved on scope. Delta pilots are a large contributor to keeping the DCI concept relevant for many more years, we were potentially close to a reversal. Now ALPA prays for a pilot shortage but the reality is UAL/CAL and AA/US Air will shrink like Delta and management teams from all sides are pushing hard for elimination of the max retirement age.
Sailing, you owe it to fellow pilots and yourself to know the truth and because of your position, represent the truth. The reality is Delta pilots got hoodwinked big time, it was an industry effort. We did restore some pay, exceptionally so in the case of widebody captains, sadly this targets a small group. Lastly, growth airplanes? What has out post merger history taught us? So we shrank all this way via early outs and retirements to turn around and grow capacity back? Im not saying 321s and 330s are not a possibility, but it will take awhile to convince this pilot any management team has an agenda other than being a One World, Sky Team or Star Alliance CEO with a multitude of operators to whipsaw from. Come on sailing, inside you know better and you probably are a smart guy. Heck with ALPA and those with secret agendas. Lets get DAL a union that will preserve the profession and take care of "us." You know this needs to happen, I and about half the list know it needs to happen. FPL and selling your soul to the devil is not a better life than "just flying the line." Put your management hat on, here is your option: Option A [Old PWA]: If you want more of those awesome 76 seaters, super premium jumbo regional jets, then you can have 255 of them; BUT:
Well doesn't that suck? I hear ya. Here's a better option, Option TA 2012:
Winning. When someone says that's not a good deal, just say the 50 seaters that are killing you and that you don't want, are leaving. DCI that grew too much is now shrinking because it needs to badly, good deal! Worth the compromise. That's Bi-winning. But if someone says, are we really growing? How do we know that? Tell them "of course we'll grow." Tri-winning. http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/TEMP1-45.png http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp10-8.png[/URL] |
You post the truth and the koolaid crowd goes quiet. Remember, "this contract required trust."
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My question though, is when we hear "these airplanes are growth", what is our baseline to measure something as growth?
And with the age of our fleet, can it really be growth? Here's a table from the 10-K reports found at SEC.gov. Slightly different mind you then the ones you'll find at Deltanet, but it's what they filed. And we all know the Federal government knows all, and if it doesn't, dammit it wants too. http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfe6fea3f.png Note what they did with the 200ER after 2008, it got pushed up into the 757s numbers. So it was 176 B757s in 2008 and has shrunk by 22 to 154. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1416945)
SGU also has A319/320/321 lines painted so I wouldn't read much into that. I think the vendor that paints lines just paints all fleets on the line.
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1417058)
You post the truth and the koolaid crowd goes quiet. Remember, "this contract required trust."
Care to elaborate? Where is the contract not being followed based on the language we all voted on? |
If the announcement was made today that we were ordering 600 airplanes to be here between now and 2025, I bet that would in the end still not be growth. At least not when you look at the age of our fleet.
My biggest question about TA2012 is if mainline was going to grow then why not put it in writing? If the 717s are all growth, fine, put it in writing that 76 seaters can be added once mainline grows. Not just once 717s are added. But what we did was have a ratio that only requires fleet status quo and tied 76 seaters to 717s but not to mainline size. That leaves the gate wide open for a previously not allowed pump while you dump. Meaning pump up mainline and 76 seaters while dumping mainline if they chose to go that route. But that should never have been allowed. Even the old contract didn't allow such a shell game. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1417105)
If the announcement was made today that we were ordering 600 airplanes to be here between now and 2025, I bet that would in the end still not be growth. At least not when you look at the age of our fleet.
My biggest question about TA2012 is if mainline was going to grow then why not put it in writing? If the 717s are all growth, fine, put it in writing that 76 seaters can be added once mainline grows. Not just once 717s are added. But what we did was have a ratio that only requires fleet status quo and tied 76 seaters to 717s but not to mainline size. That leaves the gate wide open for a previously not allowed pump while you dump. Meaning pump up mainline and 76 seaters while dumping mainline if they chose to go that route. But that should never have been allowed. Even the old contract didn't allow such a shell game. |
Originally Posted by APCLurker
(Post 1416994)
How many is "some A320's parked?" 5? 40? More than 40? |
Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1417111)
Excellent!! The -88's get the cockpit upgrade last ;)
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