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Purple Drank 05-27-2013 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1416728)
Why don't you tell us what you think the fleet plan will be. The orders are well known as well as the RFP's. tell us what you think the retirements will be over the next 4 years.

It's not the orders/RFPs that are problematic, necessarily. Tell us, sailing, what you think the mainline retirement plan will be. We'll take your number and multiply it by 7. That should keep us close to reality.

There is nowhere left to expand to. We've done gone and codeshared/JV'ed our international growth out of existence.

If ALPA gets its way, we'll outsource our heavy international growth, and take our Williston-MSP x15/day on the 717/739 for a COLA -1.2% contract (along with the usual givebacks, of course). Say it with me: "Obamacare exchange." And we'll like it.

Because "that's what the survey said" we wanted.

Razorback flyer 05-27-2013 06:24 PM

For MD 90 numbers, as of the official fleet count on April 1, 54 of a planned 65 were in service.

forgot to bid 05-27-2013 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1416774)
Say it with me: "Obamacare exchange." And we'll like it.

Because "that's what the survey said" we wanted.

Which is why you as a union seek an exemption, like the IRS's own National Treasury Employees Union, NTEU. Otherwise you have to use negotiating capital to keep near status quo.

boog123 05-27-2013 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1416728)
Why don't you tell us what you think the fleet plan will be. The orders are well known as well as the RFP's. tell us what you think the retirements will be over the next 4 years.

In 4 years, IMO, there will be less planes and less pilots, regardless of what some say is "going to happen".

80ktsClamp 05-27-2013 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1416782)
In 4 years, IMO, there will be less planes and less pilots, regardless of what some say is "going to happen".

Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)

boog123 05-27-2013 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1416785)
Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)

regardless of DCI's current short term plight

Scoop 05-27-2013 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1416785)
Less planes and less pilots in all of the Delta system including DCI, yes.

Mainline, thankfully, is increasing both. (at the expense of DCI)



Is it really at their expense, or is it just the invertible correction after management went bonkers with RJs for years?

In other words - if their growth was at our expense, and now we are recapturing flying that used to be at mainline, is it at their expense?

Scoop

80ktsClamp 05-27-2013 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1416819)
Is it really at their expense, or is it just the invertible correction after management went bonkers with RJs for years?

In other words - if their growth was at our expense, and now we are recapturing flying that used to be at mainline, is it at their expense?

Scoop

True. That's a major reason I voted no on C2012 as well- we were giving things up for something that was going to happen anyway. Mgmt has recently stated they only plan on having 100 CRJ-200s in the system, which is even less than both required and previously projected.

DLpilot 05-27-2013 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1416602)
All you can do is read the companies fleet plan. The wide bodies are planned for additional flying in the pacific. The possible narrow body purchase ïs in addition to the 100 737's planned as replacement aircraft. They are not planning to increase retirements at the mainline. They are however now planning a additional 25 50 seaters coming out of the fleet as those narrow bodies come online. The fifty seat fleet will stabilize at 100 airframes instead of 125.

Wait....you mean they are going to park an additional 25 50 seaters without us giving up more large rjs? :confused:

Jack Bauer 05-27-2013 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1416819)
Is it really at their expense, or is it just the invertible correction after management went bonkers with RJs for years?

In other words - if their growth was at our expense, and now we are recapturing flying that used to be at mainline, is it at their expense?

Scoop

And apparently going bonkers with 50 seaters was pretty smart after all....with our help they are using them as negotiating capital to ramp up outsourcing 2.0 with DC9 sized RJ's. Our union don't wanna fly dem small frys anyways....besides they feed our hubs which leads to huge mainline growth:rolleyes:


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