Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1455041)

Really? Do you read this thread, much?

IMHO our pilot group is on the leading edge of JV scope management. We have Joint Venture protections in our PWA which force the Company to balance any new production with Delta pilots.

If you are "Alaska Bound," have you read their scope language with regard to "Alaska Air Group." They failed to bind their holding company to anything other than their current and ordered 737 fleet.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1454815)

Yes, absolutely to #1. I've done it several times. You just have to have adequate coverage on the day that you want to drop.

For #2, I think you can, but I've never tried it. My understanding is it works like a PD or APD. I think you only get paid for the day you drop though, and no soft credit, so the obvious thought would be to drop the highest hard-time day.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1455041)

You must be new to this thread. To answer your question, "yes." Our pilot group is on the leading edge of JV scope management. Basically, our contract requires management to use Delta pilots to fly our share of any new production which might be created via Joint Venture.

I think such broad based language is terrific because we draw a circle around everything (other than permitted exceptions) and state, "that's ours."

If you are interested there is an ALPA Council 44 meeting at the Holiday Inn, Virginia Ave., at 11am tomorrow where the guest speaker is among the foremost experts on JV's anywhere. LEC meetings are usually open to guests. You're welcome to pull up a chair, munch on a cookie and learn something.

If you are "Alaska Bound," have you read their scope language with regard to "Alaska Air Group." They failed to bind their holding company to anything other than their current and ordered 737 fleet. In other words, they drew their circle really small, just around a fleet specific operation. Our Circle is any flying by Delta, or for Delta.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1455052)

Thanks for the info on the scope you guys have in your contract. I don't have access to your full contract so I'm not sure of details.

Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1454962)

Base swapping would be fine if the two would agree to swap seniority numbers.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1455065)

With regard to your examples: (really simplified version, so folks don't whack me with 1.5% windows :o )

Air France/KLM/Alitalia JV: We get half of the EASK. An EASK is a number which takes into account the passenger and cargo capacity of the operation by kilometers, meaning an A380 equals several 767's. If you were in Seattle you would see a Delta 767 going to Paris making it's share of EASK's. We typically have a one year measurement window to allow management to flex for seasonal demand patterns.

There has been a lot written here about the fact that Air France is not in balance. We grew our share when Alitalia joined the JV and expanded the window to three years. Due to a number of factors we've not yet caught up with our half. We're working on it.


Other JV's: We will not decrease flying year on year and our share is 75% of the Company's share of revenue flying.

LEC meetings are quarterly to the best of my knowledge.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1455162)

Thanks for the info and clarification. Good to see things are improving.