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AlaskaBound 07-31-2013 07:37 AM

Open Skies and Skymark

This is an unsettling trend. I'm a regional pilot trying to get to the majors. I have literally been stuck at my carrier as an FO for 6 years without any forward movement whatsoever. I know you guys spend a lot of time working on shrinking the DCI lift and shifting it to mainline flying. In theory that creates mainline jobs and I like the direction you're going. However, I don't see quite the urgency to go after these JVs and codeshare agreements with huge international carriers. They are just as big of a threat, if not bigger, to mainline jobs. That's my personal opinion. Do you, as Delta pilots, see this trend to be unsettling and also a threat? I feel as though these agreements are impeding WB growth at Delta. It's flat-out outsourcing. Do you see any collaborative movement within DALPA to get this under control? With that said, I know the pilots don't run the company and can't tell the company how to run the business. But just as DALPA has been successful, relatively, in bring back domestic flying to mainline, they can also focus on slowing down these agreements.

tsquare 07-31-2013 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1454373)
That's actually a pretty interesting concept though. If two equally qualled pilots want to swap bases with each other, where's the harm in it...we should be able to do it instantaneously.

Is there a downside for anyone?

I can think of a small technicality. Suppose the number 1 guys went out, and a bottom feeder came in. Then, you got a AE into that category but you had a minimum number on your preferences. IF the number 1 guy were to be allowed to come back in, your preference would NOT have been honored, therefore I would think you would have a case to be able to go back to your other category. Probably not that big a deal, but it would technically violate your preference.

Dash8widget 07-31-2013 09:08 AM

1 for 2 duty pay
 
Can anyone tell me when the 1 for 2 duty pay kicks in? Had a trip that ended up with 22+ hours of duty over two days with only 9:28 break in duty in the middle. Does that qualify? From what I read in the contract, it seems it would, but it does not look like my trip credit reflects the extra pay.

DLpilot 07-31-2013 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1454948)
Can anyone tell me when the 1 for 2 duty pay kicks in? Had a trip that ended up with 22+ hours of duty over two days with only 9:28 break in duty in the middle. Does that qualify? From what I read in the contract, it seems it would, but it does not look like my trip credit reflects the extra pay.

Less than 9 hours if you had over 20 hours combined duty.

maddogmax 07-31-2013 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1454891)
I can think of a small technicality. Suppose the number 1 guys went out, and a bottom feeder came in. Then, you got a AE into that category but you had a minimum number on your preferences. IF the number 1 guy were to be allowed to come back in, your preference would NOT have been honored, therefore I would think you would have a case to be able to go back to your other category. Probably not that big a deal, but it would technically violate your preference.

Base swapping would be fine if the two would agree to swap seniority numbers.

formerdal 07-31-2013 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1454948)
Can anyone tell me when the 1 for 2 duty pay kicks in? Had a trip that ended up with 22+ hours of duty over two days with only 9:28 break in duty in the middle. Does that qualify? From what I read in the contract, it seems it would, but it does not look like my trip credit reflects the extra pay.

The layover must be less than 9:01 if the ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED duty days exceed 20 hours or less than 8:15 if less than 20 hours.

Dash8widget 07-31-2013 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1454983)
The layover must be less than 9:01 if the ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED duty days exceed 20 hours or less than 8:15 if less than 20 hours.

Thanks for the quick replies, guys!

jabwmu 07-31-2013 10:38 AM

Does one incur a seat lock for changing bases (same equipment) via an AE?

Thanks.

alfaromeo 07-31-2013 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by jabwmu (Post 1455017)
Does one incur a seat lock for changing bases (same equipment) via an AE?

Thanks.

Nope.............(filler)

Bucking Bar 07-31-2013 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1454869)
Open Skies and Skymark

This is an unsettling trend. I'm a regional pilot trying to get to the majors. I have literally been stuck at my carrier as an FO for 6 years without any forward movement whatsoever. I know you guys spend a lot of time working on shrinking the DCI lift and shifting it to mainline flying. In theory that creates mainline jobs and I like the direction you're going. However, I don't see quite the urgency to go after these JVs and codeshare agreements with huge international carriers.

... Do you see any collaborative movement within DALPA to get this under control? With that said, I know the pilots don't run the company and can't tell the company how to run the business. But just as DALPA has been successful, relatively, in bring back domestic flying to mainline, they can also focus on slowing down these agreements.

You must be new to this thread. To answer your question, "yes." Our pilot group is on the leading edge of JV scope management. Basically, our contract requires management to use Delta pilots to fly our share of any new production which might be created via Joint Venture.

I think such broad based language is terrific because we draw a circle around everything (other than permitted exceptions) and state, "that's ours."

If you are interested there is an ALPA Council 44 meeting at the Holiday Inn, Virginia Ave., at 11am tomorrow where the guest speaker is among the foremost experts on JV's anywhere. LEC meetings are usually open to guests. You're welcome to pull up a chair, munch on a cookie and learn something.

If you are "Alaska Bound," have you read their scope language with regard to "Alaska Air Group." They failed to bind their holding company to anything other than their current and ordered 737 fleet. In other words, they drew their circle really small, just around a fleet specific operation. Our Circle is any flying by Delta, or for Delta.


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