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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1469906)
You do realize that they could do the EXACT same thing under the old contract, right? So why would anymore pilots fly sick under this policy? And if you call in sick, & can't verify do you get punished? I haven't heard of anyone being disciplined. You simply don't get your time verified. And now you get 100 hours of unverified time. Under the old contract the company could verify ANY sick leave usage.
I think people are blowing this entire thing out of proportion. That said, I wouldn't want to be the doctor who puts his name to a "this guy wasn't really sick certificate" that leads to discipline of any kind with the incredibly high standards we have WRT self certifying and self grounding for, honestly, pretty much anything, including and especially a multitude of things no doctor's test can ever prove black and white anyway. There may or may not be a few guys show up hacking and wheezing now but this isn't really about them. This is about the grey areas; the not too severe but distracting stomach aches, the slightly nauseous and many other things that, ironically any airline on earth will be the first to throw you under the bus for being a rebel maverick for showing up to fly with in the first place should metal be bent. If pilots perceive a career risk if they call in sick for just a little illness, many pilots will fly just a little sick. And usually it works out fine anyway, most of the time. So sick calls go down, and there's a value to that. The real acid test here will be when and if they try to make an example out of someone for not being able to prove the unprovable. |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1469889)
Yep-and having a sinus infection or trouble clearing ones ears doesn't mean they can't waterski, drink beer, or paint the house.
No pilot, especially for a top tier safety first airline, should ever have to think twice about calling out for a legitimate illness, even if the condition in question is hard or impossible for a third party to "prove". To get to that point, you are going to get some blowback from a certain amount of dishonest behavior from some people from time to time. And that sucks. But it beats the alternative of even a small number of pilots potentially flying sick because they are worried about verifiability or discipline. |
Originally Posted by Erdude32
(Post 1470142)
I got the Dalpa survey call this afternoon. From the tone of the questions and the options of the answers, I'd surmise that they are planning on a representational vote in the not too distant future.
Questions were, as best I can remember them: How satisfied are you with your LEC How satisfied are you with the MEC Do you think you have a strong contract Is the contract enforced Are you satisfied with the contract How satisfied are you with ALPA Have you heard of the DPA How likely is it that you think there will be a vote for representation What percentage of Delta Pilots do you think will vote for self representation Will you vote for the DPA. Not sure of the exact verbage of the questions. From the available answers you had to choose from for each question, about 1/2 way through I nearly hung up as it appeard to be a push poll. Then the questions got more pointed and interesting towards the end. I've said in the past that I was done with Dalpa polling after they summarily ignored the contract survey (I'll believe that until it's PROVEN otherwise). However, this survey was different. I think they are trying to get a handle on a spiraling out of control situation. I've been sitting on the fence the last couple of months. I'm none too impressed with Tim Caplingers rantings and foot in mouth press releases. However, as a VERY Sr SLC crew pointed out to me recently on a JS ride home....are there Alpa or Dalpa guys you don't like? But you continue to support them? Don't let your dislike of one individual dissuade you from the bigger picture of self-representation. I'm sending in a card tomorrow. We need to vote on this BEFORE the next Sec 6....AND before Dalpa can have another give away of more 76 seaters and profit sharing for a cola raise. |
Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
(Post 1469978)
(I love that show.) |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1470112)
solution? offer $270k plus an american domicile. just do 12 day trips out of lax, sfo, jfk... fly 773s, 744s, 380s, etc and be a Captain right away...while your friends wallow for years on narrowbody reserve...
/posting on a Chinese made smartphone monitored by the NSA but not Delta until this fall |
Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1470220)
Maybe some will take a leave of absense to make some big bucks while maintaining a seniority number at Delta, coming back once wages improve here.
It is not a horrible thing to have in the back pocket though. |
Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1470085)
I think Richard is paying attention to the economics of pilot retention globally with respect to the next contract. The fear has always been losing seniority by moving to another airline. Direct hire captains to these Chinese carriers don't have to deal with that given an advertised starting pay of $270K.
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
(Post 1469947)
In well over 20 years I was never called questioning the veracity of a sick call.
As I type this I am at home recovering from surgery. Prior to the surgery I called my Chief Pilot and discussed the upcoming surgery, told him the date it was scheduled and the lengthy period of recovery. In short; it was fully disclosed ahead of time and no surprise. But under the new sick leave program I got a call roughly 15 days after my first day out. "...we're calling everyone, it's the new policy..." Maybe it's because I'm a former military officer, but I don't like it one bit. I tend to be naive and trusting. I try to do a good job, genuinely. I've never considered myself to be one of the few "problem children" within the pilot group. With that one phone call Flight Operations squandered a lot of goodwill. Hope you have a speedy recovery. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1470112)
solution? offer $270k plus an american domicile. just do 12 day trips out of lax, sfo, jfk... fly 773s, 744s, 380s, etc and be a Captain right away...while your friends wallow for years on narrowbody reserve...
/posting on a Chinese made smartphone monitored by the NSA but not Delta until this fall |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1470238)
Why do you think RA is paying attention? I guess what I'm saying is what gives you that impression?
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