Yeah I put one in too but when I realized this was all about Tim and his getting furloughed I decided not to renew. ALPA has the structure to take care of Delta pilots. The pilots just need to take care of ALPA first. Through the proper channels.

I see exactly what you are saying, and I can see how on the surface that may intimidate folks. Not to get too far into the weeds, but if you are talking Alaska, they are ALPA as well, which would indicate ALPA merger policy. I doubt that any ALPA/ALPA merger with our group would end in an amicable non arbitrated list; I think most of us would expect it to go to arbitration. I'm no ALPA policy wonk, but I don't believe that "pay rates" are part of the ALPA merger policy. The considerations in that case: "in no particular order and with no particular weight now include but are not limited to career expectations, longevity, and status and category."

Yes I realize that pay rates can certainly be brought up due to the "not limited to" clause, but I think we will find the mergers which have been arbitrated using this methodology haven't really included it.

However, if you want to start with the assumption that we somehow get 737-9 and A-321 rates up to the same as the 777, who cares if the potential 737-9 operating merger candidate's pilots get merged with our most senior pilots via a direct ratio? Not saying this would happen, but like I said previously, these guys would be bringing their own equally high paying airplanes with them. What makes any of us think they would want our 777 flying if they can make the same money staying right where they are? (Or even if they do, when they "move up" to a 777/747 seat, they are vacating another Capt seat that pays exactly the same- hard to call that a loss to be honest). At that point we are looking solely at the question of do we really value that type of flying for the sake of itself vs do we value it for its higher paying status. I think we have heard plenty of very senior folks weigh in on this.

I would have to say the real losers in a potential tie up with Alaska in particular would be their junior FO's. Take a look at how senior anything remotely west goes at Delta. Even at a straight ratio not accounting for equipment a great deal of those guys would be getting the boot from their west coast bases over time. The same thing happened to junior FO's in SLC, LAX, and more recently to FOs in MSP. That is assuming of course the company would not add additional capacity to those bases in a post-merger scenario.

I'm not advocating a T2 style LGB, and I'm certainly not saying that the rates for either of these aircraft will actually be the same as the 75/76 (or the 777 from your example). I'm just pointing out the flaw in logic in advocating lower pay for the 737-9 and the A321 based on fear of it giving those aircraft status equal to 767/777/name your fleet in some potential future merger scenario.

I asked you earlier to rephrase using one bullet point of the laundry list at a time, and try to use fewer words because it only bores people and shows you don't really understand your own points. You didn't do that. So I'll try starting with your first opinion listed as fact:
Look at your first bullet point, then try to reconcile that bullet point's opinion with what you posted from DPA. You're opinion isn't even close to what DPA has written. Notice it says nothing about dues going to 2.25% next year without MEMRAT. That could happen next year depending upon any special circumstances that might happen, but it also might not.

That's why your first bullet point is opinion only and not fact based. Shall we go to the next bullet point on your laundry list?

Carl

FTB,

I am very happy you have embraced logic and reason and have posted the known fleet count for 2017. Everyone on the seniority list right now will hold wide body captain by next year. DCI flows won't be replaced and we've negotiated a mainline pay rate for the 76 seaters. The Narita base is going to be pumped up in our scope negotiations and we have convinced the company that Delta pilots will fly all Virgin Atlantic passengers (using their flight attendants). Additionally, we have convince all of our code share partners in Asia to use Delta pilots to fly their airplanes.

We are DALPA

Scambo
On FPL

DPA
1.75 + 0.5% on Oct. 1, 2014 = 2.25%. No pilot vote.

ALPA
1.90% on Jan 1, 2014). No 0.5%, not a penny extra without a membership vote.

Why are you showing one less 747-400 in 2017? Are you counting the one I plan on taking with me when I retire? :D

Carl

And the basis for this opinion is where?

Carl

You know we put winglets on about a dozen of the 757's from around 638 up through many of the 660 series ships.

LOL. Some people get a gold watch and some a 747.

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