So are you saying we have pilots intentionally do acts "much worse" than a felony and DALPA goes to bat for them?

 

Sorry Carl that's where you are wrong. You have no idea of what my initial opinion of DPA was. I sent in a card within the first year of its existence and had renewed it. I was never a big fan of TCs but I thought an independent union had a lot of merit.

Then the push onto the fence began with the emails like the Chinese abortion reference. Still I thought, one guy who has some anger issues with ALPA is writing those emails, there is still a lot of positive in an independent union. I was willing to give DPA a pass in spite of his emails.

I started going to this and the DALPA forum and trying to learn more from both sides. On the ALPA forum I saw cheerleaders on both sides but the DPA guys came from an angrier stand point. JF, SC, GK, and others on that board were often very angry in their posts. I found the debate here much more informative. In fact Carl up until maybe 2 months ago I thought you were one of the most reasonable on both sides, however as of late you have moved into the name calling and angry group.

For someone who thought the scourge letter was unprofessional you sure throw out a lot of names at ALPA supporters. I think it hurts the debate rather then helping it. I hope that both sides could put the name calling aside and have a legitimate debate about OUR representation.

I moved off the fence towards DALPA because of the angry undertone I see from a lot of the DPA supporters on the forums. Right or wrong they are the face of DPA for most of us.

As for your PM, I do not despise you I don't even know you. You and I are both individuals typing on keyboards on an anonymous? web board. Things typed get lost and misinterpreted much more so than in person. If we meet in person at some point first beer is on me.

 

This alleged act is not the purview of professional standards. Rather, it is a criminal act. It is appropriate to report it to the relevant authorities.

If, a person or persons, hacked this group's accounts and disabled it's donation link causing harm to their legal activities, it is a criminal act. If it proves to be more than one person engaging in this activity, it is a criminal conspiracy. If the same person(s) made subsequent attempts to contact one of the victims, it gets even worse.

My point is this, once the phone calls were placed, this goes way beyond a conflict of personalities. If it transpired as alleged, it's criminal.

Too bad, someone may have just ruined their life with a really stupid act. They had better get a lawyer and fast.

LeineLodge, I'm just line swine. I'm the heart and mind that both groups seek to represent.

Let's consider some potential possibilities. If this person or persons who are allegedly willing to commit wire fraud had taken this even further and showed up on a fellow pilot's doorstep to explain things, it could end in a tragedy.

Last year, we saw a passionate DALPA defender assault and batter a fellow pilot at a DALPA meeting in Peachtree City. It only ended because cooler heads stepped in to stop it.

Professional Standards is for professional activities in the cockpit. Not for union activities. Professional Standards is not for criminal activities.

 

Good question. In the past, at DALPA, we have had a former MEC Chairman, accused of tax evasion and a former LEC Chairman, accused of a scam divorce in order to receive an early pension payout. Both incidents occurred while the parties were in office.

I don't believe DALPA went to bat for them. Does anybody remember?

 

Another victory in SEA. Hearing that UA has decided to drop SEA-NRT altogether versus the plan to downgauge to a 787 from a 777. Leaves just us and NK.

 

Ruuh Rhoo .....

It will be interesting to identify the perps...

This is going to be very interesting.

 

More like face palming the embarrassing attempt to play the grievously wounded victim by DPA.



All things equal, either ALPA tried to sabotage the DPA, or the DPA is trying to generate sympathy for a dwindling cause by creating controversy. Sorry, the DPA's outcry seems trite. Maybe we should wait for the facts to be investigated WITHOUT any rhetoric from either side?

 

It's good to hear that we're competing effectively with United.

They also mentioned the shifting of more capacity to the Atlantic. Our yields there have just started to improve; I hope this doesn't change that.

 

This is one of the parts that Bar & co are missing when they accuse DPA of "going after" fellow Delta pilots instead of representing them. We still don't know the identities of those involved. As DPA began to investigate this, they were able to track the IP address of the hacking to a single hot spot location and time of day. That narrowed the number of possible suspects. The people involved must have properly realized that if DPA could get that close to them, the FBI would easily be able to take it the rest of the way. So the people involved decided to contact DPA. They did so without identifying themselves. We still don't know who they are or if they're Delta pilots as they claim.

Carl

 

Also, didn't we pull down SFO-NRT a few months ago? I can't remember for sure, but if so this probably just helps everyone's yield from their respective west coast hubs.

Of course I'm more interested in yield improvements where they don't cost pilot block hours - hopefully that SFO-NRT time was re-allocated somewhere else.