From my count only 6 FO's on the ER and 330 on the west coast moved with no backfill.
What west coast growth??

 

It looks like nobody left the west coast except maybe a couple.

I'll do some math later tonight. At first glance looks like quite a few open narrobody positions. Nice to see MSP reinstatements as well.

 

4 LAX7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
2 SLC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
2 SEA7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
9 DTW7ERf/o left, not backfilled
3 DTW73Nf/o left, not backfilled
0 DTW320f/o change, same number in and out.
0 MSPm88f/o change, 6 in and 6 out.
8 MSP7ERf/o left, not backfilled.
0 MSP320f/o change, 13 out and 13 in.



All other LAX/SLC/SEA positions just traded 1 for 1, no increase or decrease.

Net loss of 8 west coast FO positions, widebody positions. That's 8 guys that didn't flow up from 73N, eight more that didn't flow there from 320/m88. So, that's 16 flowups that didn't happen out west. Again, lots of movement for for senior 7erf/o, nothing below (at least out west, I haven't had time to look at the totals for other bases).

For 73N, 320, M88, and 717 f/os, that's 23 7ERf/o positions that didn't get backfilled and 3 73n. Assuming those positions would have rippled from ER to 717, that's 92 f/o positions that should have existed and allowed junior fo's to finally move up... but which didn't happen because DESPITE THE CHEERLEADING, we are still shrinking faster than we are retiring or adding positions for new jets.

edit... DOH it gets worse!
19 NYC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
7 NYC73Nf/o positions reduced (9 guys left, 2 backfilled)
2 NYCM88f/o positions reduced (4 guys left, 2 backfilled)
13 NYC320f/o positions reduced (16 guys left, 3 backfilled)
28 ATL7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
0 change ATL73Nf/o
+15 positions ATL320f/o, (17 gained, 2 guys left)
1 ATLM88f/o position reduced, (9 gained, 10 guys left)
4 ATL717f/o positions reduced

That's 70 jobs, just in ERf/o positions lost, that DIDN'T get replaced, DIDN'T cause anyone below them to move up.
that's 10 73NB positions that disappeared, and didn't cause anyone below them to move up
etc
I WANT to be excited for hiring and capt spots on AEs.... but the proof is in the pudding, and once again there was no improvement

Here's the positive side of things, for those of you sick of hearing everyone hired after 1999 complain of stagnation... at least I didn't move BACKWARDS it appears! Yay, go me!

 

Thanks George.

I checked and it was almost double the price.

TEN

 

You are correct. At the current rate, up grade for a 2001 hire on west coast is 2022-2023 to be the plug on the SLC73N or 320. Based on attrition through retirements, no growth and nobody moving out which clearly they are not.

 

It's slow for sure, but seeing as how we are adding 737's and A320's over the next few years, along with 330's and 717's, I'd think that number will come down significantly. There has always been a price at DL to be based out west, anybody thinking otherwise is kidding themselves.

 

That's exactly what that meant. But, you can best believe if something goes down, they will look at it. There is no right of privacy on company issued materials -- unless the union negotiates for it.

 

[QUOTE=flyallnite;1539176]It's slow for sure, but seeing as how we are adding 737's and A320's over the next few years, along with 330's and 717's, I'd think that number will come down significantly. There has always been a price at DL to be based out west, anybody thinking otherwise is kidding themselves.


I am an ATL based 88 hire. I just lost 2 numbers in my category. I can not remember the last time I moved up from an AE.

 

The narrow body positions you mention will be filled by new hires and recalls. When you hire you have to have a place to put them.
The ER positions will see some backfill on the next bid which surprises me but rumor has it that there is another reduction in 757 retirement numbers.

""The December AE award was posted on December 13, 2013. As we stated in the AE memo, our immediate focus is the M88 and 320. When we award an AE we run several simulations with different levels of backfilling to measure the training produced. We run our initial simulation as “wide open” and backfill all positions. For the initial December AE run, we had no problems filling the M88 and 320 Captain postings, but we had a large number of M88 and 320 First Officer openings.
We need to maintain as many current M88 and 320 First Officers as possible for January through March as we bring on new hires and flow-ups. As a result, we did not backfill the 7ER First Officer on the December AE. We will need to increase our 7ER First Officer levels by June in order to fly the summer schedule and will post another AE in approximately 45-60 days with 7ER First Officer openings. At this time, we do not know the categories where will see openings or to what level. Network is making their final adjustments to the summer schedule now and once they are complete we will make our staffing decisions based on the summer flying""

 

+1 The junior 320 captain is right around the 8000 now. That is surprising.

As far as not backfilling 7er FO's, believe it, or not, I see a little movement in the right direction.

Last year, they said they would not be backfilling (and they acted like they never would.)
For this AE, they are explaining why they aren't backfilling.
For future AE's, they said their will be openings for the summer schedule.