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Old 12-08-2013 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'm already trash texting 80.
I had a C period recurrent sim yesterday so I only caught the last quarter of the AU game while sitting in the ATL pilot lounge waiting for my flight home. I knew FSU was going to blow out Duke, but the Auburn game sounded more like a tennis match until the very end.

Then the Ohio/Mich game came on and I had to run to catch my flight home just after it was 10-0 Mich. I was getting text score updates from my wife as I was sitting on the plane waiting to push, and it was 17-17 last I heard, as we were pushing back and I put my pone in airplane mode...

When I finally got to my car, just after midnight, for my 90 minute drive home, my wife (FSU grad and AU Mom) texted me;

"SUCK IT URBAN!"



Urban's still got a lot of enemies here in central Florida! Everyone at FSU has always hated him, but now everyone at UF does too!

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Old 12-08-2013 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am not quite sure what you base the above statement on using the history and cost of the LOA's. I also don't understand your comment on lowering the companies cost. There is nothing involved in this process that will lower the companies pilot block hour costs. The company would like to mitigate increases in their costs but certainly they are not going to see a reduction.
So you're saying that if we don't give the company relief that they won't have higher reserve staffing requirements?
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
So the consensus is that the company knew they had a problem and purposely waited till the last minute to grab yet another concession from the pilot group?
Not picking on you here, Free, but this forum "consensus" is an example of why these forums aren't a good reflection of the facts.

Final interpretations on FAR 117 came down in early October. During October and November ALPA had to pull down and replace at least 3 of the major communications on FAR 117 scheduling impact to Delta pilots due to new interpretation. There wasn't waiting until the last minute, there were late breaking changes. Those changes don't excuse management from compliance with the new Regs and our PWA, however. SD can't unilaterally reinterpret our contract, even if he's humble about it.
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think if everyone pulled their white slips for January and instead put in for green slips with conflict, those would rule the day.

Of course, I'm not advocating for that, I'm just making an observation given the required rest and trip coverage time frames.
Actually how would they even cover green slips inside of 10 hours?
In order to guarantee, uninterrupted 10 hours of prospective rest the green slips would have to be assigned earlier.
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Not picking on you here, Free, but this forum "consensus" is an example of why these forums aren't a good reflection of the facts.

Final interpretations on FAR 117 came down in early October. During October and November ALPA had to pull down and replace at least 3 of the major communications on FAR 117 scheduling impact to Delta pilots due to new interpretation. There wasn't waiting until the last minute, there were late breaking changes. Those changes don't excuse management from compliance with the new Regs and our PWA, however. SD can't unilaterally reinterpret our contract, even if he's humble about it.

Just trying to see this clearly. If ALPA sits tight on this and makes the company comply with the current contract, would it not require more reserve pilots?
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
Just trying to see this clearly. If ALPA sits tight on this and makes the company comply with the current contract, would it not require more reserve pilots?
I don't know. As Sailing pointed out, there are a lot of things in management's control that they can use to adjust their needs for reserves. We wouldn't like many of those things.

In my view it behooves both parties to negotiate.
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Once the rule was clarified the company came back to DALPA and requested negotiations on FAR117 after snubbing us the first time. Those negotiation are now ongoing however personally I believe we should withdraw from those discussions until SD retracts his letter from 6 Dec.
Thanks for the background, Sailing. That would be a good starting point.
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I don't know. As Sailing pointed out, there are a lot of things in management's control that they can use to adjust their needs for reserves. We wouldn't like many of those things.

In my view it behooves both parties to negotiate.
Remember, you won't need too many short call pilots with 10 hours of uninterrupted rest, if you just re-route a crew that's already sitting in the pilot lounge, i.e. sitting Airport Standby.

Look at Narita, it's the biggest pilot base we've never had, with constant re-routes of the 757/767/A330/777/747 crews laying over there, and now, with all the new 48 hour layovers, it's just going to get worse.

Basically, as soon as you sign in, you're on short call AND airport standby.
Old 12-08-2013 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I had a C period recurrent sim yesterday so I only caught the last quarter of the AU game while sitting in the ATL pilot lounge waiting for my flight home. I knew FSU was going to blow out Duke, but the Auburn game sounded more like a tennis match until the very end.

Then the Ohio/Mich game came on and I had to run to catch my flight home just after it was 10-0 Mich. I was getting text score updates from my wife as I was sitting on the plane waiting to push, and it was 17-17 last I heard, as we were pushing back and I put my pone in airplane mode...

When I finally got to my car, just after midnight, for my 90 minute drive home, my wife (FSU grad and AU Mom) texted me;

"SUCK IT URBAN!"



Urban's still got a lot of enemies here in central Florida! Everyone at FSU has always hated him, but now everyone at UF does too!
Really glad that OSU lost, but as a man I respect Meyer. He befriended a family who we are friends with here near Pensacola while their son was dealing with brain cancer. He opened his house open to them on numerous occasions when the young man had to go to Gainesville for treatment, invited him to games/practices, gave him the game ball from the Outback Bowl, and traveled to the area to speak at the young man's memorial service.

Looking forward to a good game between FSU and Auburn!
Old 12-08-2013 | 07:00 AM
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It appears we have 3 candidates for MEC chairman. I honestly do not know much of these gentlemen. Is there a place to view their mission statements or what they stand for? The only person who I have read anything from was a letter that Art A. wrote during contract 2012. I was very impressed because it was not a sales job letter but more of a pros and con. I thought it was a honest approach and very well written. The other two gentlemen, I know nothing about. Who is best to lead this group. My early analysis is AA.
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