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Old 12-19-2013 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
30 in 7, 100 per month and "legal to start, legal to finish" go away in FAR 117.

Now we have:
  • 100 in a rolling 672 hours
  • 1,000 in a rolling 365 days
  • 60 Flight Duty Hours in 168 hours (sorta a rolling 7 days)
  • 190 FDH in 672 hours (sorta a rolling 28 days)
Isn't there a 32 in 7?
Old 12-19-2013 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
30 in 7, 100 per month and "legal to start, legal to finish" go away in FAR 117.

Now we have:
  • 100 in a rolling 672 hours
  • 1,000 in a rolling 365 days
  • 60 Flight Duty Hours in 168 hours (sorta a rolling 7 days)
  • 190 FDH in 672 hours (sorta a rolling 28 days)
ygtbsm.......so with these new rules, I can now be scheduled for 7 days on, with standard rest overnights, and fly over 36 hours in said period? And this is better? And with 16 hours in domicile between trips. Commuter special.
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWagman
Isn't there a 32 in 7?
FAR 117 - no

C2012 - not that I know of

* Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Going from notes here, but will refer to the source documents as time permits.
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWagman
Isn't there a 32 in 7?
Under part 121 yes. 32/7 limit for unaugmented international ops. Ex:JFK-DUB

With part 117, 32/7 is gone.

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Old 12-19-2013 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
ygtbsm.......so with these new rules, I can now be scheduled for 7 days on, with standard rest overnights, and fly over 36 hours in said period? And this is better? And with 16 hours in domicile between trips. Commuter special.
That is why ALPA and Delta need to start working together to fix some of the holes in our contract (both on the Pilot's and the Company's side) or else we're not going to be seeing much of our homes. (14 days off and 72 hours is my line for next month )

The issue was rest & duty time. Efficiency wasn't a consideration. Hope you sleep well in hotel rooms.
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That is why ALPA and Delta need to start working together to fix some of the holes in our contract (both on the Pilot's and the Company's side) or else we're not going to be seeing much of our homes. (14 days off and 72 hours is my line for next month )

The issue was rest & duty time. Efficiency wasn't a consideration. Hope you sleep well in hotel rooms.
Digging up my f/o reps number now......
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:05 AM
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I strongly recommend downloading both the ALPA 117 app and the "Guide to 117" from the ALPA website. They do a terrific job deciphering the regs with Q&A's.
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Beer Man
I agree with this and I think your explanation is an expanded version of what the union put out last week via email. I wonder why the union just didn't put this exact information out and lay it out for us? If you know who wants to try to negotiate publicly, why doesn't the union come out and just say "hey guys, guess what if you are on reserve in January, good news for you...." As someone stated a couple pages ago, some guys will read the flight ops letter and think well okay I will comply, but the true leverage here lies in unity and understanding the conflict between the PWA and FAR's. Would a letter to the effect of johnso's explanation be illegal or just not constructive?
^^^^^^^^ This!!! ^^^^^^

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Old 12-19-2013 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
When I called yesterday they were not aware, yet, that 30 in 7 had gone away. Hopefully the computer software has been updated allowing us to pick up plenty of greenslips, because that's where I think this is headed, at least during the transition.
Based on the fact the computers created lines that don't adhere to 30/7 I'm guessing you'll be safe with GSs if the programer was as knowledgeable and exacting in that area as he was on the monthly line construction.

It's no surprise the schedulers don't know the new rules--many of them didn't know the rules before FAR 117; they just did what the computer told them to do.
Old 12-19-2013 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I strongly recommend downloading both the ALPA 117 app and the "Guide to 117" from the ALPA website. They do a terrific job deciphering the regs with Q&A's.
Yep. Our volunteers put a lot of work into excellent publications and just as you and Sailing have suggested, read 'em.
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