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flyerc90 01-19-2014 08:22 AM

My buddy in NYC is on RSV and has traditionally not acknowledged a SC until the required time since he commutes. He has continued this practice with our current issues. He was assigned SC last week, ack per the PWA, they PD'd the rsv day and he got a call from CP. CP said "you need to do it per the memo" ALPA said "you're following the PWA we will support you"

They then assigned him another SC the very next day.....he did the same exact thing as the first.....same PD on his sked, same CP call, same union response. Havent heard any further outcome, but NYC reps said he was the only pilot in NYC doing this.

DALMD88FO 01-19-2014 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by flyerc90 (Post 1562436)
My buddy in NYC is on RSV and has traditionally not acknowledged a SC until the required time since he commutes. He has continued this practice with our current issues. He was assigned SC last week, ack per the PWA, they PD'd the rsv day and he got a call from CP. CP said "you need to do it per the memo" ALPA said "you're following the PWA we will support you"

They then assigned him another SC the very next day.....he did the same exact thing as the first.....same PD on his sked, same CP call, same union response. Havent heard any further outcome, but NYC reps said he was the only pilot in NYC doing this.

And here is the problem. The company has actually unilaterally changed our contract. One memo from SD and people salute smartly and comply. No wonder the union is having a hard time getting the company to negotiate. Why would they, they've taken what they needed.

Check Essential 01-19-2014 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1562447)
And here is the problem. The company has actually unilaterally changed our contract. One memo from SD and people salute smartly and comply. No wonder the union is having a hard time getting the company to negotiate. Why would they, they've taken what they needed.

That seems to be what is happening. DALPA keeps saying they will defend the contract but so far they haven't. At least that we know about.
Anybody heard anything different?

Alan Shore 01-19-2014 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1562420)
FOM chapter 4 I think.

Be careful trusting the FOM about anything contractual. They sometimes phrase things in their own way to de-emphasize certain parts, and what is written there can be woefully out of date.

Better to refer to the applicable section in the Scheduling Reference Handbook available on the DALPA website.

Flamer 01-19-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1562458)
That seems to be what is happening. DALPA keeps saying they will defend the contract but so far they haven't. At least that we know about.
Anybody heard anything different?

Unity is all pilots acknowledging in the same timeframe IAW the contract. This builds leverage. DALPA needs to push this.

In the mean time, take your PD days off. You'll get the money later, as the contract is B&W.....this is a slam dunk grievance. But, the company is happy now as they got what they wanted out of 99% of the pilots for free and with no negotiations.

Alan Shore 01-19-2014 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1562458)
DALPA keeps saying they will defend the contract but so far they haven't. At least that we know about. Anybody heard anything different?

Only that Donatelli says that we should comply with the PWA and that we will be defended against any adverse consequences. Presumably, that defense is not instantaneously successful, but takes some amount of time to mount. I've heard reps going to the CPO to argue in favor of those pilots.

Given the Company's stance to date and what is at stake, I can't imagine that the CPOs will be allowed to ease up until there is an overall agreement with DALPA on how reserve will work going forward.

CheapTrick 01-19-2014 09:48 AM

My guess is that there must be a contractual violation followed by a grievance for ALPA to "vigorously defend" the PWA. And that grievance process takes months (if not a year) to play out. Meanwhile DAL will intimidate the majority to play company ball until the grievance or side letter is settled. Well played Steve Dickson.

Scoop 01-19-2014 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1562475)
Be careful trusting the FOM about anything contractual. They sometimes phrase things in their own way to de-emphasize certain parts, and what is written there can be woefully out of date.

Better to refer to the applicable section in the Scheduling Reference Handbook available on the DALPA website.



Moonshot/Alan - Thanks :)

Alan Shore 01-19-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1562484)
Meanwhile DAL will intimidate the majority to play company ball until the grievance or side letter is settled. Well played Steve Dickson.

Meanwhile, the more of us that join in vigorously defending the PWA, the more green slips will be awarded until the LOA is settled. Don't give up!!

One Taco 01-19-2014 10:16 AM

When looking at the LATTs, don't forget to look at the contractual duty limit on your rotation. They are often more restrictive than the new 117 limits. And the two hour MAX extension of that number would produce a different LATT time than those produced on the addendum paperwork.

Also, when I calculate the max block limit numbers below that, I keep in the back of my mind whether or not the max taxi is greater than 3 hours. If it is, your taxi out is limited by the Passenger Bill of Rights. If it is not, then our max duty will send us back to the gate first. It's good to be plugging in a bunch of different scenarios with these numbers to try to understand how it all relates.

I had a situation earlier in the month where I arrived at the hotel so tired, I put my name above the captain's on the sign in sheet. He was so busy trying to get a hold of Crew Tracking that I thought that I would handle the pickup time with the hotel. And with my name on the top line, I unwittingly made myself the first point of contact for all things trivial with the hotel. Big mistake. After squaring it away with the desk downstairs, I was called in my room to let me know that they had spoken with the transportation and it was all worked out. 8ish hours later I received another phone call from downstairs wondering why we weren't down there for our original pick up time. Since this was now only 20 minutes before my alarm, it was going to be difficult to get back to sleep, especially because I was laying there trying to calculate whether or not I had the 8 hour opportunity. Oh, the irony!


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