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Old 01-23-2014 | 03:10 PM
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RFB for 787 vs 350 this Qtr...

let's have them race them!

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Old 01-23-2014 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
ALPA was found guilty of DFR and now has a financial responsibility for payment. Glad they are on our side.
Plantiffs have agreed to No Admission. That's a stipulation of the agreement
No Admission. It is expressly understood and agreed that this Settlement Agreement does not in any way embody, reflect, or imply any admission of wrongdoing on the part of any of the Released Parties, and the parties hereto may not use it for such purpose in any subsequent legal proceeding. Neither this Settlement Agreement nor any proceedings undertaken in accordance with the terms set forth herein shall be construed as or deemed to be evidence or an admission or concession by any of the Released Parties as to the validity of any of the Released Claims.
Most large succesful law firms brag about their ability to settle before reaching court for the very reason that they are in buisiness and that's to make money for themselves. The actual plantiffs are not going to get very much money from this, regardless of assigning blame, only the lawyers win this one.

11 years for a jury to find ALPA "liable" is not slam click case. Either way it's a long way from the $700-$1.7 BILLION that we have to leave ALPA for before we get assessed. This was the Elmer FUDs of all FUDs.

Fear: You may have to pay for this
Uncertainty: You may have to pay for this
Doubt: You may have to pay for this

Reality: You won't have to pay for it. (Not pay, as in, not pay out of pocket like APA and USAPA)

The DPA made their foundation on this lawsuit and others. They never mention the lawsuits that get dismissed or won. They don't mention that in a future merger that the same thing could happen with ariline pilots from XYZ suing DPA and the pilots would be liable for paying out of pocket then. Pilots suing pilots is a growing business. Define fair to a Walmart jury.

A recent law study showed that lawyers have figured out that the money lies in DFR suits against unions and that DFR suits are up four-fold. DFR's aren't happening more. More people are suing because it's tough to prove and defend.

The DPA needs to continue showing why they would be better and stop messing around with UAL, JBLU, retirees and whatever else they have up their sleeves and concentrate on making Delta better and not just saying why everything sucks. My little girl can do that for free.
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
RFB for 787 vs 350 this Qtr...

let's have them race them!

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Old 01-23-2014 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
ALPA was found guilty of DFR and now has a financial responsibility for payment.
Actually, I think your statement is false. I don't like what happened to the TWA pilots, but 1) there never was such a finding, and 2) the actual settlement numbers are way closer to "nothing happened" than the numbers you would expect in a finding of guilt.
Old 01-23-2014 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
Plantiffs have agreed to No Admission. That's a stipulation of the agreement


Most large succesful law firms brag about their ability to settle before reaching court for the very reason that they are in buisiness and that's to make money for themselves. The actual plantiffs are not going to get very much money from this, regardless of assigning blame, only the lawyers win this one.

11 years for a jury to find ALPA "liable" is not slam click case. Either way it's a long way from the $700-$1.7 BILLION that we have to leave ALPA for before we get assessed. This was the Elmer FUDs of all FUDs.

Fear: You may have to pay for this
Uncertainty: You may have to pay for this
Doubt: You may have to pay for this

Reality: You won't have to pay for it. (Not pay, as in, not pay out of pocket like APA and USAPA)

The DPA made their foundation on this lawsuit and others. They never mention the lawsuits that get dismissed or won. They don't mention that in a future merger that the same thing could happen with ariline pilots from XYZ suing DPA and the pilots would be liable for paying out of pocket then. Pilots suing pilots is a growing business. Define fair to a Walmart jury.

A recent law study showed that lawyers have figured out that the money lies in DFR suits against unions and that DFR suits are up four-fold. DFR's aren't happening more. More people are suing because it's tough to prove and defend.

The DPA needs to continue showing why they would be better and stop messing around with UAL, JBLU, retirees and whatever else they have up their sleeves and concentrate on making Delta better and not just saying why everything sucks. My little girl can do that for free.
I'm not advocating for the DPA but I'm also not satisfied with the job ALPA is doing.
Old 01-23-2014 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Actually, I think your statement is false. I don't like what happened to the TWA pilots, but 1) there never was such a finding, and 2) the actual settlement numbers are way closer to "nothing happened" than the numbers you would expect in a finding of guilt.
In 2011, a jury found ALPA guilty of its DFR obligations. Not sure how else you can read this but I am sure ALPA can
Old 01-23-2014 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I'm not advocating for the DPA but I'm also not satisfied with the job ALPA is doing.
I can agree with that. I imagine many ALPA reps and volunteers feel we could do a lot better, just like I think the group could do a lot better governing our union.
Old 01-23-2014 | 03:32 PM
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How much is in the MCF today?

How much of the $53 million will be insurance and how much out of the MCF?

I'm guessing ALPA's share will be in excess of $20 million.

How much will our premiums increase?
Old 01-23-2014 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
In 2011, a jury found ALPA guilty of its DFR obligations. Not sure how else you can read this but I am sure ALPA can
I think what's happening is an appeal. I pulled up the link (from the other thread) to the settlement in order to answer your quote. I can't cut-and-past it here, but it seems to clearly state that the trial (hence the verdict) was scheduled for March 2014, and both parties acknowledge the risk of losing.

So I guess that, strictly speaking, you may be correct about what the lower court found, and I'm correct that this court didn't find guilt.

Either way, my point is that the settlement the parties went for, reflect their confidence in losing or winning. It sure looks like the plaintiffs took a very low number. If you were suing someone for wiping out your career, and you were confident you had a case, would you take a month of pay?

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Old 01-23-2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
How much will our premiums increase?
According to a C66 update on FB, zero. In fact, they decreased as scheduled this year.
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