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flyallnite 01-24-2014 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1565765)
AE
With regards to the AE I think crew planning is just playing offense. THey want guys to volunteer to bid off than get displaced because lets be honest we will have ZERO training capacity to deal with displacements. I am sure we will just stay fat. If you displace one ER CA that could lead to 8 training events and 4 possibly for an FO. if we want to hire north of 600 how can we afford to train for displacements. Not going to happen


Absolutely. With the 330's coming, many of the most senior 7ER capt's will do one of three things: retire, bid the 777, 765, or 330, or 747. There will be vacancies beginning this year on all of those aircraft due to retirements. I expect most of the ER 'shrinkage' to begin in ATL after this summer. LAX, SLC, SEA and JFK will stay relatively stable until the 787 or 350's come along. MSP and DTW will probably shrink some also, but many of those Capts will go to the aforementioned jets, unless they want to stay senior, live in base and like domestic, in which case they'll probably just go to the 73/320 and stay in base. The ER FO's will be the ones taking the A320 and 73N spots as they become available, as several did on the last bid.

DeadHead 01-24-2014 10:14 AM

Hey question for the AE....Would only posted vacancies be filled? Or would positions that become vacant as a result of the bid be awarded as well?

Example...If an NYC 7ER F/O bids into ATL (or another position), will the NYC 7ER F/O position that is being vacated be open to bid into?
When the company says no backfill does that mean they will leave vacated positions unfilled?

iceman49 01-24-2014 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1565710)
Interesting about the A350. Under the heading of "you never know if someone knows what they're talking about when they tell you something", but I was told that the Feds were going to see if it was possible for an A330 guy to fly the A350 with just differences training. I asked an A330 check airman if we could be one fleet if we got the A350, and he said no way.

Calling the Iceman........Iceman come in.

Ferd

The 350 is more like the 380 than the 330.

ATL7ER 01-24-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1565795)
Hey question for the AE....Would only posted vacancies be filled? Or would positions that become vacant as a result of the bid be awarded as well?

Example...If an NYC 7ER F/O bids into ATL (or another position), will the NYC 7ER F/O position that is being vacated be open to bid into?
When the company says no backfill does that mean they will leave vacated positions unfilled?

Every pilot who moves position on an AE creates a vacancy. That vacancy will either be filled or not based on how many numbers the company wants in that category/seat after this AE. That's why, if category numbers are remaining constant, pilots get awarded positions that were not posted as vacancies on the AE posting...i.e. a NYC 7ER F/O takes one of the ATL 717A positions, someone else, say a M88 FO, gets awarded NYC 7ER FO even though the AE showed no NYC7ER FO vacancies. If they wanted the NYC7ERFO category to shrink by 1 position they wouldn't "backfill" that guys slot and the M88 FO would not get that award.

Keep in mind also that the numbers they talk about in the AE posting are subject to change by the time they actually make awards.

DeadHead 01-24-2014 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by ATL7ER (Post 1565807)
Every pilot who moves position on an AE creates a vacancy. That vacancy will either be filled or not based on how many numbers the company wants in that category/seat after this AE. That's why, if category numbers are remaining constant, pilots get awarded positions that were not posted as vacancies on the AE posting...i.e. a NYC 7ER F/O takes one of the ATL 717A positions, someone else, say a M88 FO, gets awarded NYC 7ER FO even though the AE showed no NYC7ER FO vacancies. If they wanted the NYC7ERFO category to shrink by 1 position they wouldn't "backfill" that guys slot and the M88 FO would not get that award.

Keep in mind also that the numbers they talk about in the AE posting are subject to change by the time they actually make awards.



Ah got it...thanks ATL

tsquare 01-24-2014 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1565660)
This is the most disturbing part of AE.

"The 7ER block hours will peak in July and decrease by 25 percent by the time we reach December 2014."

Currently 1493 7ER capt - 25% = 373 displacements
Currently 1791 7ER F/O - 25% = 447 displacements

YIKES

That is a lot of people bidding and displacing to lower paying jobs.

And yes we will have the 330 coming on property in 2015 but they will barely offset the the above reduction.

And I'm gonna say it again... Ain't it great that bigger has to pay more?

Boomer 01-24-2014 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 1565515)
I have a humble 35 hours in the right seat of a warbird B17, stories like the one you just related fill me with a renewed sense of appreciation for the tough old Boeing,and the boy crews who flew her. Love the nose art !!!

Boy crews? I thought they were flown by tough-as-nails old timers...

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...7a2a.image.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/articles/graphics/b17h.jpg



http://blogs.pnwlocalnews.com/focusn...den_Larsen.jpg

TANSTAAFL 01-24-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1565660)
This is the most disturbing part of AE.

"The 7ER block hours will peak in July and decrease by 25 percent by the time we reach December 2014."

Currently 1493 7ER capt - 25% = 373 displacements
Currently 1791 7ER F/O - 25% = 447 displacements

YIKES

That is a lot of people bidding and displacing to lower paying jobs.

And yes we will have the 330 coming on property in 2015 but they will barely offset the the above reduction.

What is the normal high/shoulder month percentage reduction? We staff for the summers not the winter. More relevant would be summer 14 vs projected summer 15 block hours.

iaflyer 01-24-2014 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1565710)
Interesting about the A350. Under the heading of "you never know if someone knows what they're talking about when they tell you something", but I was told that the Feds were going to see if it was possible for an A330 guy to fly the A350 with just differences training. I asked an A330 check airman if we could be one fleet if we got the A350, and he said no way.

The official Airbus A330/A340 to A380 "transition" course is only 12 days, 4 of which is systems, which of course we would do at home. :cool:

http://elearning.onurair.com.tr:85/w...TCP/LFQF-G.pdf

So I can't see an A330 to A350 course being any longer, probably shorter.

Here's the A350 cockpit... different than the 330 for sure..

http://www.a350xwb.com/fileadmin/tem...ockpit-day.jpg

Boomer 01-24-2014 11:52 AM

I hear you can fly a Boeing without a tail.

http://www.b17model.com/wp-content/u...3/59841058.jpg



http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/.../b52notail.jpg



Others... Not so much...

http://pravda-team.ru/eng/image/photo/2/4/6/61246.jpeg


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