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acl65pilot 09-23-2009 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 683144)
Right now they have a bunch of 757's either underused or in the desert. What airplanes would they order? They will probably need some more 777's in a while but right now they have a lot of unused international capacity. Airframes they got, they just need more high fare customers right now.

Fact is that the 777 is one that I have felt they would order. I see us getting the 777-300 in the next year to two.

I see them finding a replacement for the lower end of the narrow body range. They could do something quick, but my feeling is that we would see new metal in the 2013-2015 time frame. We may be able to extend that, but doing so would put DAL in a position of needed to replace the majority on the narrow body and a good chunk of wide body jets from 2018-2030. It is better to out lay that expenditure over two decades, and not one.

beer 09-23-2009 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Desperado (Post 683100)
It's a fairly common theme on this thread, for the junior guys to complain that the senior guys need to be more in touch with the needs of the more junior guys. Attention, junior guys, you are putting your own jobs in jeopardy by "working the system" and flying high lines. There are WAY too many guys getting paid for sitting while others are getting paid for flying extra.
A classic example was just a few posts ago. A junior 88B bragging about getting paid for not doing much. I hope that you realize that you are cutting your own throat.

Excuse me......but give me a F'ing break!!! I think every one of us thinks about our family first. I don't think I have flown with a guy that DIDN'T have a slip of some sort in. People are always trying to fill up for some reason. And if they want to pay you double, or triple in my case, then show me the money!!! Maybe you should try it. And as far as me "cutting my own throat", I dont buy it!! If they are going to Furlough, it will not be because people pick up trips.

cybourg10 09-23-2009 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 683146)
Fact is that the 777 is one that I have felt they would order. I see us getting the 777-300 in the next year to two.

I see them finding a replacement for the lower end of the narrow body range. They could do something quick, but my feeling is that we would see new metal in the 2013-2015 time frame. We may be able to extend that, but doing so would put DAL in a position of needed to replace the majority on the narrow body and a good chunk of wide body jets from 2018-2030. It is better to out lay that expenditure over two decades, and not one.

You think they are waiting for the C-Series in 2013 to start the DC9/MD88 replacement? If not the C-Series then what?

RockyBoy 09-23-2009 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Desperado (Post 683100)
It's a fairly common theme on this thread, for the junior guys to complain that the senior guys need to be more in touch with the needs of the more junior guys. Attention, junior guys, you are putting your own jobs in jeopardy by "working the system" and flying high lines. There are WAY too many guys getting paid for sitting while others are getting paid for flying extra.
A classic example was just a few posts ago. A junior 88B bragging about getting paid for not doing much. I hope that you realize that you are cutting your own throat.


Attention senior guy, a junior guy submitting a greenslip will not put my job in jeopardy since it now pays the same as an IA. The company will just IA guys who don't want to work if there are no greenslips submitted. I would agree with you if GS pay was less than IA pay. When PBS builds me a 65 hour line, I'm going to submit a greenslip so I can attempt to make more than my neighbor who works at Wal-Mart.

acl65pilot 09-23-2009 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 683161)
Attention senior guy, a junior guy submitting a greenslip will not put my job in jeopardy since it now pays the same as an IA. The company will just IA guys who don't want to work if there are no greenslips submitted. I would agree with you if GS pay was less than IA pay. When PBS builds me a 65 hour line, I'm going to submit a greenslip so I can attempt to make more than my neighbor who works at Wal-Mart.

A philosophical issue, but one that is afforded by your PWA.

iceman49 09-23-2009 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 683123)
I'm thinking not. :(

At management's big meeting yesterday, RA answered a question about airplanes saying they weren't contemplating any new aircraft orders. Their whole focus is to get the customer experience, especially the premium customer experience, standardized and improved. They had a presentation by J.D. Power to all the junior managers on what in their opinion Delta needs to change. Then all the Execs got presented behind that theme.

I'd be surprised to see anything major in aircraft orders, other than the desire to either grow or quit the MD-90 fleet.

So what did the boys at JD Power say had to change? How about an on time departure....any other suggestions?

acl65pilot 09-23-2009 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by cybourg10 (Post 683158)
You think they are waiting for the C-Series in 2013 to start the DC9/MD88 replacement? If not the C-Series then what?

It is an option I am sure they will be considering. The economics of the CS-100 are close to that of a CRJ900, so maybe the 300. We shall see.

iceman49 09-23-2009 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 683112)
What I am saying is a lot is in the works, whether it every come to fruition is a different story. If we knew half of what was planned or thought about, it would blow your mind.

I am not saying anything more than what is in the press. Look at their time line.

With RA there are always big plans in the wings, on the North side he was always telling us who was going under etc. 10 years ago he said UA was in trouble and US Air was going to be gone shortly...its easy to throw out big plans knowing that people have a short history, and when it does not work you just remind everyone that things change and "the airline business is a tough business." Airline employees live and thrive on rumors. Not questioning your intel, but have seen and heard it for a long time. We need to take care of whats going on at our own company and try to make it great.

acl65pilot 09-23-2009 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 683176)
With RA there are always big plans in the wings, on the North side he was always telling us who was going under etc. 10 years ago he said UA was in trouble and US Air was going to be gone shortly...its easy to throw out big plans knowing that people have a short history, and when it does not work you just remind everyone that things change and "the airline business is a tough business." Airline employees live and thrive on rumors. Not questioning your intel, but have seen and heard it for a long time. We need to take care of whats going on at our own company and try to make it great.

The point what, there are plenty of things being planned. The question is, how many will become reality.
I was not stating that there are plans/announcements that are coming per say. For that fact, anything immanent.

Bigflya 09-23-2009 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 683161)
Attention senior guy, a junior guy submitting a greenslip will not put my job in jeopardy since it now pays the same as an IA. The company will just IA guys who don't want to work if there are no greenslips submitted. I would agree with you if GS pay was less than IA pay. When PBS builds me a 65 hour line, I'm going to submit a greenslip so I can attempt to make more than my neighbor who works at Wal-Mart.

Agree on the fundamentals. Scheduling will do evertything possible to fill seats before going to premium pay including bringing in reserves from out of base. They call GS just before IA's so what can be said is guys putting in white slips hurts everyone. If no one white slipped then more people would enjoy some greenies. Truth is guys keep saying that because of the pay givebacks they need to fill their schedule to pay their bills. I can understand that. We throw ourselves under the bus.


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