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Sink r8 04-05-2014 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1617166)
Have no fear, I'm sure that by 2am there will be another round (or 7) of Robo Calls with Steve Dickson telling you it's ok to ignore those earlier Robo Calls...:D

I just spoke to the Duty Pilot, and they found a work-around. They're putting together a new message, with SD and the gang singing a lullaby, which they'll robo-call right to your hotel room, so that you may disregard the other robo-calls.

As an alternative, you 'll be able to download Samuel L. Jackson's reading of "Go the ******* to Sleep" off the deltanet. Long-term, expect to find in your v-file a collection of children's classic books, to save on the cost of robo-calls.

They wanted to use the CQ CD to put us down, but they're worried we'd miss our wake-up call.

Never happened.

80ktsClamp 04-05-2014 03:34 AM

The may bid period is delayed for anyone wondering.

bohicagain 04-05-2014 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1617236)
The may bid period is delayed for anyone wondering.

That's the first I've heard of it. How did you find out?

Bluto 04-05-2014 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1617223)
Numerous robocalls because of a delayed PBS bid package, but if your departure tomorrow is delayed? Crickets.

Yes! When are we going to see the IT genius we allegedly stole from the North Nerdery?

sinca3 04-05-2014 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1617231)
Sssh!! It never happened!

Sshhh, I'm hunting wabbits....
http://www.theclashblog.com/wp-conte..._Wild_Hare.jpg

Pineapple Guy 04-05-2014 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1617033)
Sure, here's the short & sweet version.

Pinnacle's bankruptcy, purchase by DL, and the ALPA/DALPA-engineered Delta-jobs-for-concessions deal set off a concessionary round of bargaining in the regional sector. Around the time Richard started bragging that he had "reset" DCI's costs, American Eagle management approached their pilots - less than a year into their own bankruptcy-forced 8-year contract - and demanded that they adopt a B-scale that would freeze pay for newhires. The American Eagle MEC turned it down. Moak wrote a letter to the Eagle pilots that was widely interpreted as disapproval over the MEC turning down the proposal.

American Airlines Group, having secured a bunch more 76-seat outsourcing in BK, was looking for a place to put those jets, so they approached Pacific Southeast Airlines (PSA). PSA management in turn went to their MEC and negotiated a concessions-for-jets deal, which the pilots ratified to the tune of nearly 80%. PSA was awarded 30 CRJ-900s shortly thereafter.

Eagle management went back to their MEC at that point and openly threatened to "Comair" them if they couldn't get concessions. After some debate the MEC voted to negotiate, and eventually narrowly approved an "Agreement in Principle" that called for a 10-year contract with frozen pay the entire time, a slightly enhanced flow-through, and minimum fleet guarantees that were still smaller than their current fleet. The NC set about drafting the specific language.

Meanwhile ExpressJet and ASA - now merged into ExpressJet - were still without a joint contract after a couple years of slow negotiations. The new developments at PSA and Eagle broke the logjam in management's favor, and the MEC approved a joint contract that was rather concessionary on the promise of new AA flying. The pilot group rejected it, 87% against. The MEC resigned. There was an outpouring of anti-ALPA sentiment on the forums. Moak abruptly changed his tune on concessions and started talking up the Fee For Departure group at ALPA, which has been around for years but hasn't done much. PSA refused to participate in the reactivated FFD group.

Meanwhile one of the Eagle MEC reps had been recalled and the anti-concession faction of the MEC was able to bring a few other members over to their views. When the T/A language was drafted, the MEC ended up voting it down 5-4. It was a close-run thing with the deciding vote switching the night before. AE management immediately started suggesting that the MEC was illegitimate and wasn't representing the pilots' wishes, and there was intense pressure from ALPA to allow the pilots to vote. An EVP wrote a letter suggesting the MEC was opening themselves to legal action. Eventually the MEC revoted with 3 voting to send the T/A to pilot ratification and 6 abstaining, thus allowing the vote while demonstrating against it.

While this was going on at Eagle, Republic Airways came to a T/A after 7+ years of stalled negotiations and an extremely outdated contract that was making it hard for them to attract pilots. There was some cloak-and-dagger stuff with the Teamsters Airline Division bypassing the RAH ExCo (ie MEC) and negotiating committee. Still the ExCo sent it to MemRat. That vote was going on concurrently with the Eagle vote.

American Eagle pilots rejected their concessionary T/A with 70% against. Eagle management is now saying they'll shrink the airline to nothing over time, but it's very unclear if there are any regionals that could actually take over any of their flying and be able to staff it.

RAH pilots just voted against their T/A, which did contain some improvements over their decade-old current contract but was generally quite underwhelming and had some really bad scheduling language, with 85% against.

XJT, AE, and RAH contain roughly half of the pilots in the regional industry.

I've never heard as much anti-ALPA talk on the line as the last 3 months or so. It's widely believed that ALPA national was supporting concessions at the regionals, with national officers insisting it was just the regionals' time for concessions. It's my own belief that if Moak isn't kicked out this year and a reform-minded president elected, ALPA will be done as a going concern within a few years. They're poisoning the well with the next generation of mainline pilots. It should be pointed out that APA strongly supported American Eagle pilots' stand and encouraged their members to help AE pilots.

That's the situation in a nutshell. Basically regional pilots have noticed a lot of chickens coming home to roost vis a vis the pilot shortage, and decided the time was right to take a stand.

Junglebus -- for the record, "DALPA" was not involved in the concessionary Pinnacle contract in any way. In fact, many were outraged, when they found out about this after it was a done deal.

Timbo 04-05-2014 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The may bid period is delayed for anyone wondering.

That's the first I've heard of it. How did you find out?


It would be nice if they'd at least call us to let us know!

Thanks Obama!

Splash 04-05-2014 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1617158)
Out of curiosity, does anyone get 8 hours of sleep before a 04:30 van? I know I can't.

In which time zone?

West Coast? Cinch.

East Coast? Tough.

scambo1 04-05-2014 06:14 AM

Question for the junior guys...How many numbers did 11,000-ish move up this month. I was surprised, I moved up 16 numbers.

80ktsClamp 04-05-2014 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1617293)
In which time zone?

West Coast? Cinch.

East Coast? Tough.

Yep... I was central time for my 0520 van. I wasn't yet asleep when the last robo call came through so I didn't bother delaying this morning.

-80 the company shill


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