Gotcha. It's a complicated subject. I hope the people representing us know how to play chess.

 

It was strange. Two very long days to begin the trip, followed by a redeye.

 

I agree, we will also as mentioned see a lot more reroutes. I would pack for a 5 day trip every time.

 

They certainly can do that.

They could, but what would be the point? If you're on an X-day, you're already at rest. If you're on two or more X-days, you'll be coming off of more than 30 hours' rest on your first on-call day.

He certainly should, so long as he does not need the rest to be legal for the YS/GS award.

 

Agreed. And my reps tell me that this requirement has been waived, and that ALPA will confirm this prior to the end of the 120 days with the intent of filing the grievance if the Company does NOT agree to waive.

 

Thinking of using a "Fly confirmed for less" ticket as a backup to get to LHR in June. Can anyone tell me if those tickets are refundable? The online reference is a lot of mumbo jumbo.

 

With regard to the FAR part 117, it seems to be an easy fix. Move long call to 16 hours, and we agree to acknowledge by 10 hours, giving us at least a 6 hour window to acknowledge a trip as opposed to the current 2 hour window (worst case scenario).

16 hour long call would really benefit guys that are stuck commuting to reserve.

 

Short answer-- DON'T USE THEM! They are NOT REFUNDABLE. One of the two of them implies it MAY be refundable depending on the fare rules. I spent 20 min buying some, going over fare rules to ensure I was getting refundable ones.
Two months later, they wouldn't refund them, every person I talked to told me flat out NEITHER was refundable, and I had my non-rev privileges threatened when I asked agent to actually LOOK at the ticket fare rules I had printed out with the tickets showing it WAS refundable.

I've never been as mad at the company as I was then... don't try to save that bogus 10%, it's a scam and you can't trust them-- you don't even get to go through a normal agent, they are all "special reservations" agents for travelnet who basically are in place to stiff arm and threaten you.

Sounds harsh I know, but after going to soooo much effort to ensure I bought refundable tickets, getting $4000 stolen from me administratively by the company taught me my lesson. Now I no longer try to purchase tickets on Delta to help the cause.

 

That's what I think, too.

 

Well that sucks.

You're correct. I got carried away with my hypothetical.

But the issue remains for the single x-day. The fact that they could (if indeed they can) just tack on 6 hours of "rest" (on your first on-call day) towards your 30/7 just doesn't seem right.

Now for the bonus question. If scheduling did assign (prospectively for this example) the first 6 hours of your first on-call day as counting towards your 30, how does this change a pilot's obligation to check his schedule on the x-day prior? My gut tells me that, by this change, the x-day is no longer the last "non-fly" day. Therefore, the first on-call day becomes the last (albeit partial) non-fly day and would therefore fall under 23 S 1. d. 2, thus requiring a pilot to check his schedule within 2 hours after the end of such non-fly day, i.e. check schedule by 0800. What say you?