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Doug Masters 05-04-2014 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1635873)

Either way we are screwed for this summer. Everyone needs to stop putting in GS's and just do GSWC's. We had 7 GS's today in SLC which is a crazy number for a small category in May.


Thats funny. Never.Gonna.Happen. Not with our group.

Foulwx 05-04-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1636136)
No JM are the initials.

Wow. I haven't checked out his blog in quite a while, but I always noticed that while everything seemed interesting, nowhere did I read whether or not they were happy. We taught on the 320 at the same time years ago. I hope everything is going well for him.

gloopy 05-04-2014 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright (Post 1636121)
Hmmm...

Another gap Delta would like to fill is a good 115-120-seat aircraft, slightly larger than the Boeing 717s that is currently taking over from AirTran. “The 737-700 is not economical and the -800 is too large,” Anderson says. One option could be the Bombardier C-Series and Delta has looked at the geared turbofan (GTF) engine in particular.

The C Series is supposed to be very, unreasonably expensive. I don't see them being able to discount it to where it needs to be for us to pull the trigger on another fleet type…especially a -100 A model media car lithium ion paper mache Guinea pig like that. The 737-700 could be on order tomorrow if BA wasn't so arrogant. That or the 319 would make way more sense. I wouldn't touch the C Series vaporware jet until its been flying for several other airlines for years. Good fuel numbers (supposedly, IF it comes in on spec), comically high price and extremely questionable reliability from a company that still can't even get its own Dash-8 Q400 right. I just don't see DL jumping into that unless they almost give them to us to build street cred.

gloopy 05-04-2014 10:37 AM

In any case WRT to the whole DCI sitch, can we at least, finally, all collectively admit we were never going to re-committ/heavy check/re-engine the world's largest 50 seater fleet? If for no other reason than lack of pilots? Can we at least admit that?

Or, if we can't admit that, at LEAST admit that if we did attempt to do that, the current management team would be in major hot water over an already imploding decision with a million articles in every stock feed about how it was one of the biggest blunders of the modern age?

We don't have to admit, accuse or even allege that anyone was duped or any bluff was fallen for or could have been called or whatever. But please can we finally admit they weren't going to re-engine the world's largest 50 seat RJ fleet and finally put that rhetoric behind us?

Bucking Bar 05-04-2014 10:38 AM

I don't keep up with the RJ stuff like I used to, but at one time Delta had the largest CF34 overhaul facility on the planet.

There is a 50 seat market. Some (probably about 120 or so) will stick around long term. The rub is that the 76 seater brings in > 50% more revenue at similar ~ 10 to 15% higher block hour and trip cost.


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1636179)
The C Series is supposed to be very, unreasonably expensive. I don't see them being able to discount it to where it needs to be for us to pull the trigger on another fleet type…especially a -100 A model media car lithium ion paper mache Guinea pig like that. The 737-700 could be on order tomorrow if BA wasn't so arrogant. That or the 319 would make way more sense. I wouldn't touch the C Series vaporware jet until its been flying for several other airlines for years. Good fuel numbers (supposedly, IF it comes in on spec), comically high price and extremely questionable reliability from a company that still can't even get its own Dash-8 Q400 right. I just don't see DL jumping into that unless they almost give them to us to build street cred.

Bombardier and Embraer are good at keeping Delta's secrets. That' part of the deal. I am suprised Delta has not executed the order allowed under C2012 scope, after all gettng the large RJ's as swaps was a major part of that deal ... then, nothing.

boog123 05-04-2014 10:45 AM

Short call question,

In my "Bucket", I am the most senior and there are 4 people junior to me with no short calls or flight time for the month. I had a carry in trip worth a little credit. How did I get the short call for tomorrow? I thought it was inverse seniority within your bucket and days of availability?

Thanks

Purple Drank 05-04-2014 10:51 AM

Call and ask skeds. They should be able to tell you what happened. Pls keep us posted!

Bucking Bar 05-04-2014 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1636038)
14 years ago we asked Leo Millions why we couldn't fly the RJ's at mainline. His answer was, "Even if we paid you the exact same rates, you still cost 30% more than they do, because of all the other benefits you get." (this was pre-9-11 and bankruptcy, when we still had a DB retirement plan, better, cheaper medical plan, etc.)

So, yeah, they've done the math,...

So a discredited airline manager high on outsourcing told you a decade and a half ago ... same guy as crashed and burned Delta while spending a lot of his Executive's time engineering bankruptcy proof compensation packages for themselves and their buddies ... and we (labor) still buy it?

How about the 25 billion or so in acquisition costs, capex and strikes?

I'm still not believing outsourcing is all that great a deal for Delta. No discredit to you. I never liked Leo or Fred.

Alan Shore 05-04-2014 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1636010)
True but bring that to the mainline and all your costs not just pilots go up. I know the forum experts can cost this out in their heads and prove it's cheaper but airline managements world wide have also costed it out over and over and always come up with a different answer.

Yes they have, but they've never faced this kind of market pressure, in terms of supply of regional pilots. Add that to the equation, along with the ability to add as many seats as they want to the RJ and fly it anywhere with no restrictions, and the numbers start looking a whole lot better.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1636010)
Regardless if you want to bring this flying to the mainline you don't merge those airlines. You sunset the contracts and transfer the aircraft. Much simpler and cheaper.

Absolutely!!

Alan Shore 05-04-2014 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1636193)
In my "Bucket", I am the most senior and there are 4 people junior to me with no short calls or flight time for the month. I had a carry in trip worth a little credit. How did I get the short call for tomorrow? I thought it was inverse seniority within your bucket and days of availability?

It's inverse seniority order with days of availability and the number of short call credits for the month. Call scheduling supervisor tonight, and ALPA tomorrow if necessary.


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