Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-18-2014 | 10:18 AM
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05-18-2014 | 10:32 AM
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Rumor only however it looks like the CDO's were not pushed hard by the company. They were desired and requested by pilots who were flying them and wanted them back. They will go very senior at a 7.5 minimum. It will be interesting to see how often the company uses them with that type of credit. I suspect in the end it might turn out to be much ado about nothing just like the 2 man ops to Europe forum hysterics a year ago.
Don't plan on those 30 hour layovers going away. The company will build trips that minimize credit. How the company does that with a 5:15 daily minimum will be interesting. Perhaps more 5 day trips. The same on transcon turns. I don't think you will see any of those. If you pull the long legs out of the trip mix it becomes very difficult to not see a large credit increase on other rotations. You need those long legs to avoid credit. It would not make sense to add a third pilot on some legs and increase credit. I suspect the relief pilot option was geared at a couple of specific flights the company wants to fly in the Central America market or NRT market.
Don't plan on those 30 hour layovers going away. The company will build trips that minimize credit. How the company does that with a 5:15 daily minimum will be interesting. Perhaps more 5 day trips. The same on transcon turns. I don't think you will see any of those. If you pull the long legs out of the trip mix it becomes very difficult to not see a large credit increase on other rotations. You need those long legs to avoid credit. It would not make sense to add a third pilot on some legs and increase credit. I suspect the relief pilot option was geared at a couple of specific flights the company wants to fly in the Central America market or NRT market.
On the other hand, I read and digest your posts, yet I envision you as a management member. Not a bad thing. You balance out the board. This is a business after all. We cant always want to burn the place down. In fact, my rep sounds like a manager too.TEN
05-18-2014 | 10:37 AM
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05-18-2014 | 11:32 AM
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Will the increase in ADG require more pilots?
05-18-2014 | 11:39 AM
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Brad Pitts trash...
personally the flying doesnt bother me when its one leg home after a nap. The old 8 hour overnights on the 88 were unsafe imho because you bracketed the min rest overnight with a five leg day on front or backside and two or three legs on the other. One leg home and done is fine by me.
WHAT I DO NOT LIKE is the potential this requires fewer pilots in categories like mine. If it requires fewer crews on any category then what in the freaking hell are they doing?
personally the flying doesnt bother me when its one leg home after a nap. The old 8 hour overnights on the 88 were unsafe imho because you bracketed the min rest overnight with a five leg day on front or backside and two or three legs on the other. One leg home and done is fine by me.
WHAT I DO NOT LIKE is the potential this requires fewer pilots in categories like mine. If it requires fewer crews on any category then what in the freaking hell are they doing?
05-18-2014 | 11:44 AM
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Former NWA CEO Steven Rothermeier passed away this weekend. Lost control of the airline to Al & Gary in 1989. Came from the Don Nyrop school of NWA management but would've been interesting to see what NWA would've become without the ridiculous leveraged buyout by Wings. I know a lot of guys who dislike anything NWA CEO but still it's a sad day for the airline with the red tail
05-18-2014 | 11:50 AM
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It's going to take a while to properly digest this, once we have the facts (and we MUST get the facts before a vote takes place), but in any analysis we need to look at the most horrid "frankenstein" trip. Also: don't look at augmented and CDO as separate issue. Don't assume CDO's go back to where they started. Don't assume they represent the start and end of a rotation. And don't think about rotations in the traditional way.
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation (last leg of yours).
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
Imagine a NYC rotation where leg 1 is augmenting 2 LA guys going home on a turn, short layover, CDO, end up on the East Coast, then fly with 1 pilot West, and finish a "turn" home augmented with a LA guy on the first leg of his rotation (last leg of yours).
Did I just accidentally think of a way to negate Alan and Sailing's math, or am I way off? Do you have to be augmented on the entire time if going > 9 hours, or just the time above 9 hours?
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