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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 692274)
And I have zero interest in seeing this type of MEC infighting. When you continue this "battle", "in perpetuity", you're going against all Delta pilots. Please tell me how we can use the pitbull in the NW group, and mix it with the shepperd in Delta to make something more clever, more aggressive, and more effective. Something new. Something that gets my money back into my wallet.
Because I don't care about the NW record. I care about Delta's future record. If that record is distinguished because the NW pilot help the group become stronger, so much the better. I was not referring to the battle within the MEC, but the continuing one against our careers by the ATA, and airline managements. As to infighting I want good healthy debate within the MEC - any idea worth using will stand up to strong vetting, and should be. Do not confuse unity and unanimity. |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 692126)
Dude, you *get* it. There will not only be a loss up until we have a TA, there will be threats of BK, liquidation, asset sales etc, to try and force concessions, then suddenly once we have a signed PWA, the Co. will have record profits.
Anyone who thinks we are responsible for the Co.'s profit or loss by virtues of our contract needs to be shown the door. There is collaborative engagement, and then there is Stockholm Syndrome. Carl |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 692274)
I find that the last exchange between you and Slow does a great deal to highlight the problem with this MEC's position: they are doing a reasonably good job, probably a better job than any MEC in recent times, but they are crossing the line from a bottom-up organization, to top-down organization. They also are taking an increasingly condescending tone in unofficial channels, and increasingly less effective through official channels. I'm not happy to see Slow come unglued and start talking about your underwear. You wear whatever you want. If you prefer something that doesn't chaffe, good for you.:cool:
And they appear less and less interested in membership input, prefering instead to preach that only they have sufficient facts to decide on our behalf. This is a worrysome trend, to be sure. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 692130)
Nice personal insult, btw. Freshman mentality...
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 692130)
maybe you ought to start a worksheet with Ken as well. Or do a "youtube" video.
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 692130)
I stand in awe of the mighty groundskeeper and the "outstanding" contract his varsity squad was able to negotiate in bankruptcy.
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 692130)
I'm sure schooled with that one! There's a real record out there of pilot groups working for unprofitable companies getting industry leading contracts!
Carl |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 692160)
Unless you are management, and then its called a "Bonus" and then you can get them by the millions, even when your company has been managed so poorly it is being saved from liquidation and being bailed out by the taxpayers. :cool:
Scoop Carl |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 692201)
I'm all for staying in alpa, but I think there need to be some major changes done. It's become your standard political entity that claims to be bottom up and "taking it back." Look at the way they touted the Pinnacle TA... how embarrassing. Big mustaches, big hats, big egos...not much more than hot air, though when it comes to contract negotiations.
I mean..seriously. "here, you can keep the extra 76 seat RJ's..... can we have a no furlough clause?" My jumbo case of toilet paper that I got from costco yesterday is worth more... All I've seen in post 9/11 ALPA are people taking paycuts, pensions cancelled, scope erosion, and age 65. All while touting "hey we don't suck as much as ___." Carl |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 692283)
I was not referring to the battle within the MEC, but the continuing one against our careers by the ATA, and airline managements.
As to infighting I want good healthy debate within the MEC - any idea worth using will stand up to strong vetting, and should be. Do not confuse unity and unanimity. Carl |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 692274)
That being said, I find your statement above to be equally troubling. While I think the NW pilots have a beautiful reputation for being aggressive, this aggression has not translated into results. I don't see much in NW's record that I envy, or want to emulate. And I have zero interest in seeing this type of MEC infighting. When you continue this "battle", "in perpetuity", you're going against all Delta pilots. Please tell me how we can use the pitbull in the NW group, and mix it with the shepperd in Delta to make something more clever, more aggressive, and more effective. Something new. Something that gets my money back into my wallet.
Because I don't care about the NW record. I care about Delta's future record. If that record is distinguished because the NW pilot help the group become stronger, so much the better. I mean, what direction are we going as a union? Because we're combing two cultures and two historys, so we're going somewhere, but where? And where should we be going? |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 692314)
That's a really good question Sink and probably the one that needs to be answered.
I mean, what direction are we going as a union? Because we're combing two cultures and two historys, so we're going somewhere, but where? And where should we be going? I want DennyCrane as the DPA's chief legal counsel. :D Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 692309)
I agree with most of what you say here. So here's my question: How can you still want to remain part of ALPA national? That fact that 70% of our dues money does not come back to DALPA, means it's going to fund other priorities of our national union. Priorities that most of us vehemently disagree with. Who do you think is paying for those big moustaches? :D
Carl |
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