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Old 07-21-2014 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
So we're all about unity except when you decree we're not? Are pilots restricted to only considering the history of our group's history from their date or hire? IMO we should show unity and not try to divide the pilot group by squelching speech from those we deem not worthy of taking into consideration what's happened to the group as a whole.
So we are all entitled to are own opinion, and we shouldn't be chastised or insulted for expressing it? Is that your claim?
Old 07-21-2014 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
So we're all about unity except when you decree we're not? Are pilots restricted to only considering the history of our group's history from their date or hire? IMO we should show unity and not try to divide the pilot group by squelching speech from those we deem not worthy of taking into consideration what's happened to the group as a whole.
Well stated. Someone's length of time here is meaningless. Only the thoughts and opinions matter. FWIW, I look forward to what this new generation (and relative seniority) of pilots being hired are going to do to our profession's direction.

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Old 07-21-2014 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Folks, what I am advocating here is:
  • Support ALPA, your Reps and Volunteers who work for you
  • Support ALPA PAC
  • Think carefully about your survey responses
  • Consider that scope nets you more actual pay through advancement than having $1 above whatever arbitrary metric, or contract comparison from a decade and a half ago you might have in mind.
  • Just think; remember that Delta is a holding company of alter ego stacked on alter ego and the easy play is simply to move flying around to the flavor of the day while allocating costs to the "bad boys."
  • Hold ALPA accountable for results. Learn about the Candidates. Know how your Reps vote. We, as members of the association fail the association when we let things like Endeavor's negotiations go unchallenged. We need to keep a very close watch on this transatlantic JV.
^^^^This^^^^^
Old 07-21-2014 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I said $1 billion over 3 years.
Unfortunately, That is most certainly NOT what you said. That may be what you changed it to with the aid of your moderator position after being called (even Alan Shore jumped on).

At least the other DALPA cheerleaders have some credibility. Questionable .tives, to be sure, but at least come credibility You, on the other hand...not so much. Logic is clearly not your strong suit. Maybe night school classes will help?
Old 07-21-2014 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's actually part of your TOE. You're supposed to just take the later van, grab something to eat, walk into the breifing room, say "I call second break" throw the relief pilot a blank chart to fill out and head to the plane.



Actually accomodations can take forever to reach. They usually have one or two people staffing them, so one pilot gets through in 2 seconds while someone that calls right after can wait a while. You could also try the transportation company direct. Some are very flexible and even if they're not, there's often an earlier van already scheduled for another crew you can usually ride on. Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Oberon:

When's your TOE? Consider:

--Calling the transport company direct. Any static from them, suggest their driver may not be happy later.

--Call the LCA and let him know you may be late, and why.

--Call the Pilot Support Center, and ask for support...let them stay on hold with crew accommodations.

--Call scheds and tell them you can't fly---> your ear's still sore.

Good Luck and have FUN!

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Old 07-21-2014 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Wow. This coming from someone with the handle of purple drink. Which you must be on 24/7. I've provided numbers distributed to the pilot group. Can you disprove them?...

...How's the treehouse coming along? Has Carl shown you the secret handshake yet?
Only two groups of people can prove your (and DALPA's) numbers to be true. One group is DALPA, and the other is management. So far, both sides refuse to release the costing sheets that would show the net annual and total value to the pilot group. DALPA patently refuses, and management will only release clues by calling C2012 "cost neutral" and then going further by stating "in addition, the cost savings realized by the pilot's contract will allow us to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups." Now the latest clue of management stating that all employee groups (except pilots) are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.

In my opinion, this isn't just a DALPA bashfest or some abstract academic exercise. It's about the meaning words. Last time, DALPA "heard us loud and clear", and now they say we're poised for "historic gains." What does that mean? Can it be that we'll see a replica of C2012 with a campaign to state that it will cost the company X Billions of dollars...but nobody will show us how those billion figures are derived?

DALPA would do us all a great favor by showing the costed line items and prove where the numbers came from.

Carl
Old 07-21-2014 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
SWA buisness model is currenty changing, you don't see that?
The only thing they have changed is to buy a competitor, get rid of half of it and change the paint job on the really valuable part (to SWA) of that competitor's business. Oh that's right, they are flying "international" now. Overall though, their model hasn't really changed that much.
Old 07-21-2014 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
So we're all about unity except when you decree we're not? Are pilots restricted to only considering the history of our group's history from their date or hire? IMO we should show unity and not try to divide the pilot group by squelching speech from those we deem not worthy of taking into consideration what's happened to the group as a whole.
Why don't you go thru his posts, and find one where he talks about anything remotely resembling unifying the pilot group.

I'll wait...
Old 07-21-2014 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Well stated. Someone's length of time here is meaningless.
This is very true, except when said person had nothing to do with sacrifice made b the rest of the group, and lays claim to that sacrifice like he is "owed" something. Yeah, that makes a huge difference.
Old 07-21-2014 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
This is very true, except when said person had nothing to do with sacrifice made b the rest of the group, and lays claim to that sacrifice like he is "owed" something. Yeah, that makes a huge difference.
Said person has not done that though tsquare. That's your characterization of what he's done. Mine is that he passionately loves this airline and pilot group and wants to see it rule the world. That's exactly what I hope all young people want. The problem is that he doesn't see the current iteration of DALPA as the way to achieve it. Sadly, I agree...but would love to be proven wrong in 2015.

Carl
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