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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1705860)

Our flying over the Atlantic has trended up ever since we bought PanAm. The ER you talk about in NY almost exploded in growth since 91. Part of that increase was adding domestic flying that you mention. The drop in international flying is mostly because post merger the company has moved that flying to other equipment. The 330 and 747, 767-400 have taken many high block hour routes including FCO, ATH, TLV, NCE, VCE ect.. In addition we lost Kiev, Amman and Cairo for rather obvious reasons. Just those 3 routes were a massive loss on block hours. Add in TLV going to the 747 and NYC lost 3 over 12 double crewed flights. Routes that were dropped altogether like Budapest have not seen a rush of airlines clamoring to serve the market. Overall our international departures out of NYC are probably near if not at all time high for Delta in the summer. Winter might be down but not that much.

I don't think you helped your case much with this. My "prove it" comment was to elicit some proof that the company is actually out of compliance. I read a lot of conjecture and hyperbole to that "fact" yet I really haven't seen any proof. IMHO, the -ER has been devastated in all this, and he is right in that sense. But you are also right that some of that flying has been taken by the 330/2x4 and 4x4.... But... I have heard that UCal is serving TXL many times/week, not to mention other destinations like Edinburgh that we dropped. While I think Hauenstein is pretty sharp, he doesn't always make the right decision, and I think he has struck out quite a few times too...

Now... the real argument here is the overall block hours vis a vis our JV partners... the addition of the super ugly out of MIA, and what we are gonna get out of that. It damn well better be something better than a player to be named later.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1705886)

They did it to us in Contract 2012. They ignored the pilots and the reps and they brought us 4.8.3.3 and scope concessions.

Now it looks increasingly like they plan to do it to us again in 2015.
Moak just said it right out loud.

What's it going to take?

Exactly correct Check...

At what point of selling off our professional relevance do we become irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1705886)

I know I'll regret this, but....
What scope concessions?

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705895)

Why? Are you like gonna go like all ballistic on 'em?

And T, all my professional discourtesy aside, I do respect your occam's razor approach to reality. IMO, you should be "up in arms" sooner though.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1705900)

Why? Are you like gonna go like all ballistic on 'em?

Yeah, you're right. Let's just get some money for it. That'll work too. :p

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705897)

I know I'll regret this, but....
What scope concessions?

The increase in the number of 76 seaters.

Now you'll point out we reduced 50 seaters.
And on and on.

I already regret answering. ;)

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1705905)

The increase in the number of 76 seaters.

Now you'll point out we reduced 50 seaters.
And on and on.

I already regret answering. ;)

Naaaaah I'm not gonna beat the deceased equine. It's not worth it. At this point, I am happy watching DCI implode, knowing that they have those larger airplanes that somebody has to fly and that they aren't going to be able to do it much longer... I can wait.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1705886)

They did it to us in Contract 2012. They ignored the pilots and the reps and they brought us 4.8.3.3 and scope concessions.

It passed LEC and memrat by a wide margin. The facts don't support the premise.

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Now it looks increasingly like they plan to do it to us again in 2015.
Moak just said it right out loud.

If he was addressing pilots in a closed meeting I'd be concerned.

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What's it going to take?

Some sort of actual...you know...action. I'm not too distraught about statements clearly made to placate Wall St.

Disclosure: I wasn't here in 2012.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1705902)

And T, all my professional discourtesy aside, I do respect your occam's razor approach to reality. IMO, you should be "up in arms" sooner though.

PM sent. And I will get up in arms when there is really something to get up in arms about, and when we have the legal leverage to actually do something about it. I still want to know how we are gonna be made whole without selling scope though....