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gearsdown 10-27-2009 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 702146)
No details.
Fact is that it will be larger or so they say. What that means is anyone's guess. I am sure that if they move more jets there will be more displacements and awards,

Simply, no idea.


The question is WHEN will the big post SOC bid be?

Check Essential 10-27-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by gearsdown (Post 702170)
The question is WHEN will the big post SOC bid be?

The threshold question is now WHEN is SOC going to occur?

Considering the taxiway landing and the MSP overflight, the FAA may not be in a mood to look as if they're rolling over for Delta/Northwest.
We may get a delay in SOC approval just for FAA public relations purposes.

KC10 FATboy 10-27-2009 02:38 PM

Can they do the bid before SOC with the conversions not officially taking place until after SOC?

Reroute 10-27-2009 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 702109)
The motivation and goals of the mailing were to have the candidates go to the pilots in the form of a q and a where they could make their decisions based on the merit of the answers each candidate provided, not the candidate that sent it, nor the candidates that paid for it.

In the interest of full disclosure and transparency.

Did one or more of the candidates pay for this questionaire to be distributed? If so who?

Was the pilot who asked the questions a supporter of one or more of the candidates?

I ask just to know if this really was a non partisan questionaire.

Check Essential 10-27-2009 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 702109)

David Nestor thought this was a good idea

Politics is ugly and the simple fact is that Candidate Nestor and many other that contributed to this document want the pilots to make an informed decision. Fact is that except for you and the vice chair candidate Nestor's avenues of communication have all been positive. He seeks transparency of the issues that face our union. Do not distort the facts.

I hope Candidate Nestor knows he is far from alone.
He has the support of many who seek greater union transparency.
The fact that the Imperial Guards have felt the need to come out and attack Candidate Nestor is all I need to know. He's got my vote.

johnso29 10-27-2009 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 702176)
The threshold question is now WHEN is SOC going to occur?

Considering the taxiway landing and the MSP overflight, the FAA may not be in a mood to look as if they're rolling over for Delta/Northwest.
We may get a delay in SOC approval just for FAA public relations purposes.

Seems a little silly considering both incidents were indirectly related to the merger. This was not caused by new procedures as a result of the merger being performed incorrectly. Both of these incidents were something that could have easily happened if the merger never occured.

That being said, fear of a SOC delay may be why there has been such swift action. Management might be acting a little more harshly in order to keep the intergration moving along.

Check Essential 10-27-2009 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 702188)
This was not caused by new procedures as a result of the merger being performed incorrectly. Both of these incidents were something that could have easily happened if the merger never occured..

On the contrary. The NTSB said these guys were busy learning the Delta PBS system. That's why they had their laptops out. The FO was teaching the Capt how to bid. Its directly related to the merger.

Superpilot92 10-27-2009 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 702186)
I hope Candidate Nestor knows he is far from alone.
He has the support of many who seek greater union transparency.
The fact that the Imperial Guards have felt the need to come out and attack Candidate Nestor is all I need to know. He's got my vote.

Couldnt agree more!! If i could vote in this, i know who i'd be voting for.

johnso29 10-27-2009 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 702196)
On the contrary. The NTSB said these guys were busy learning the Delta PBS system. That's why they had their laptops out. The FO was teaching the Capt how to bid. Its directly related to the merger.

The violation was using their laptops. Using their laptops is what caused them to miss radio calls. The company does not endorse of promote using laptops in cruise to learn the new bidding system. There are programs set up for when we are on the ground to learn the new bidding system.

I disagree with you as it was them using their laptops that was the problem, NOT what they were using their laptops for.

acl65pilot 10-27-2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Reroute (Post 702185)
In the interest of full disclosure and transparency.

Did one or more of the candidates pay for this questionaire to be distributed? If so who?

Candidate Nestor will not speak for other candidates, but he did pay part of it. No outside party paid for it. He did pay a portion.

Was the pilot who asked the questions a supporter of one or more of the candidates?
I am sure he was, but Candidate Nestor was not told by the author whether or not the author was a supporter of his candidacy. Candidate Nestor just answered the questions and approved them to be used much like a candidate you support!

I ask just to know if this really was a non partisan questionnaire.
Also you know that every candidate was asked to pay. Some agreed some did not. It was not about slanted questions, it was about getting a side by side comparison to the questions submitted.

I do not know why you see these as one sided. They are the questions that the candidates are getting in their in box daily by a ton of pilots. Why not just send them out to the pilots and take the message to them and not do it so secretly.


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