Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2014 | 12:06 PM
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1. Did you read the letter by Mr. Private Writings--the one that was drafted with the assistance of ALPA National staff attorneys?
2. Do you actually believe what's in the letter?
3. If yes, do you actually believe that a website with an anti-DPA message just accidentally and coincidentally showed up on the DPA website?
Our profession is made up of skeptics. It's part of our DNA. It's what helps keep us safe and alive. Most of us can sniff BS out a mile away. This one stinks a hundred miles out.
08-17-2014 | 12:07 PM
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08-17-2014 | 12:09 PM
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Our union has lawyers who will protect a pilot from the company. Do those lawyers also protect a pilot from federal or civil prosecution?
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08-17-2014 | 12:11 PM
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Luckily we have a legal system that will sort this out. And if it turns out that someone is found liable for a tort or guilty of a criminal act, you'll say the court got it wrong.
This blame the offender and attack the victim mentality that you and others share is frightening. Anything to protect your beloved club.
08-17-2014 | 12:13 PM
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Juries and judges never find someone "innocent." In the criminal system, you're either found guilty or not guilty. This case (so far) is only a civil case. Civil juries answer questions posed to them in the form of a charge from the judge. For the most part, they only answer yes or no as to whether or not the plaintiff (of defendant as the case may be) proved the elements to their case.
I would hope "Doe" pops up with his (her's, its') own Counsel who is an aggressive, energetic, early riser with a penchant for justice. ALPA will not vigorously pursue fees, costs, penalties or a slander claim against the DPA, but by golly someone should vigorously pursue such claims against the plaintiff in this matter. I'd like to see the DPA members jointly and individually held responsible for the action they have supported.
08-17-2014 | 12:14 PM
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08-17-2014 | 12:19 PM
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Three questions for you Hillbilly:
1. Did you read the letter by Mr. Private Writings--the one that was drafted with the assistance of ALPA National staff attorneys?
2. Do you actually believe what's in the letter?
3. If yes, do you actually believe that a website with an anti-DPA message just accidentally and coincidentally showed up on the DPA website?
Our profession is made up of skeptics. It's part of our DNA. It's what helps keep us safe and alive. Most of us can sniff BS out a mile away. This one stinks a hundred miles out.
1. Did you read the letter by Mr. Private Writings--the one that was drafted with the assistance of ALPA National staff attorneys?
2. Do you actually believe what's in the letter?
3. If yes, do you actually believe that a website with an anti-DPA message just accidentally and coincidentally showed up on the DPA website?
Our profession is made up of skeptics. It's part of our DNA. It's what helps keep us safe and alive. Most of us can sniff BS out a mile away. This one stinks a hundred miles out.
1. Yes
2. I don't think it's false. I do think it read very scripted and struck me as odd with the choice of words, etc. and it did raise my BS flag initially. Then I realized that the only part of any significance (in my opinion) was the part about how the individual admitted to not having the skillset necessary to hack anything and the redirect was discovered when they logged on to their own site. Hacking is the accusation after all.
3. No I don't. I suspect when the person logged onto their personal site and saw they were getting redirects they had some fun with it. Not the best headwork, but also not criminal hacking as far as I can tell.
I agree that the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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08-17-2014 | 12:21 PM
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I don't speak for DPA. I don't even know what server logs are.
Why hasn't ALPA published the last contract survey results?
Did an ALPA national attorney help you draft this nonsense? You think the DPA hacked their own website? That's really too much Bar, but entirely within your M.O. to blame the victim. Why did Mr. Private Writings contact ALPA attorneys, Bar? Why would they seek protection and legal representation if they know they had done nothing wrong?
And yet those "half price legal services" managed to defeat ALPA in court on Thursday. It seems ALPA's purported attorney-client privilege claim as to the identity of Mr. Private Writings was found to NOT EXIST.
Why hasn't ALPA published the last contract survey results?
One guy had a theory that a pilot had a domain "deltapilot" and the DPA accidently left the "s" off of their "Deltapilots" domain. If so, the DPA actually was responsible for the redirect. The "deltapilot" domain guy then decided to have some fun ... which would have been funny if not for the fact that the DPA had run out of ideas and this was an opportunity to raise funds and identify an "enemy."
Dunno, but that explanation make(s) sense to me. The DPA discovered their error and fixed it.
Dunno, but that explanation make(s) sense to me. The DPA discovered their error and fixed it.
And yet those "half price legal services" managed to defeat ALPA in court on Thursday. It seems ALPA's purported attorney-client privilege claim as to the identity of Mr. Private Writings was found to NOT EXIST.
08-17-2014 | 12:21 PM
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OJ? Wow, you're grasping at straws there. Not even remotely similar to this. My point is that it's blatantly obvious that DPA yet again has had the wind taken out of their sails. I'm sure the legal bills are beginning to stack up quite high on TC. There is zero evidence that DPA's website was indeed hacked. For all we know, TC did it himself. After all, they filed a lawsuit against John Doe. After they publicly accused DALPA of hacking their website, and getting the FBI involved. A slam dunk case indeed.
Name calling? Good to see you're capable of mature debate.
Name calling? Good to see you're capable of mature debate.
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08-17-2014 | 12:21 PM
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Yes if it is directly related to his employment. That's irrelevant in this case. They were hit with a subpoena.
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