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Old 08-17-2014 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by index
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your honesty.

You said that the letter is scripted and used an odd choice of words. I agree.

Would it matter to you if those "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" actually WERE the anti-DPA information that was published on DPA's website?

And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?

Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?

1. I'd be surprised if they weren't anti-DPA writings. The content doesn't change whether there was criminal hacking or not.

2. Insider or not, if there was criminal hacking they were wrong to do that. If there wasn't criminal hacking it is irrelevant.

3. No.


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Old 08-17-2014 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
1. I'd be surprised if they weren't anti-DPA writings. The content doesn't change whether there was criminal hacking or not.
If you recall, Mr. Private Writings never admitted that his "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" WERE the actual Anti-DPA rhetoric that mysteriously and coincidentally ended up on the DPA website. Why is that? Why the cryptic "explanation"? It's because the truth would've sounded really bad. I think you're right though, the "private writings" were the anti-DPA rant.

If this indeed was the content, then I believe that fact would be very relevant as to intent.

Originally Posted by Hillbilly
2. Insider or not, if there was criminal hacking they were wrong to do that. If there wasn't criminal hacking it is irrelevant.
What potentially makes this a big deal is if this was done by an ALPA insider, i.e. an elected or appointed official. Big difference if it was just a disgruntled line pilot versus a union "leader." And the fact that ALPA attorneys have worked so hard to prevent his identity from being known says to me that it IS a high level ALPA operative. Time will tell.
Old 08-17-2014 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by index
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your honesty.

You said that the letter is scripted and used an odd choice of words. I agree.

Would it matter to you if those "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" actually WERE the anti-DPA information that was published on DPA's website?

And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?

Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?
Your comments are a replay of why O. J. Simpson was supposedly innocent.

Stop with your complete disregard for the truth.

This pilot hacked the DPA website and posted negative communication.

He got caught immediately.

He called Tim Caplinger 3 separate times and offered him money to let it go.

Tim asked him to simply admit in writing what he did and who helped him and he would forgive and forget.

The pilot refused. Why? IMO it was because it would have made DALPA look bad, but that is only my opinion.

Honor is something no man can give you and something no man can take away.

Defending this action and pretending it was an accident is dishonorable and disgusting. You insult all of us with your comments.

THE GLOVE DOESN'T FIT!!!!!!!

Jerry
Old 08-17-2014 | 02:14 PM
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The whole key to this kerfuffle is the identity of the hacker.

Is he now or has he ever been a "DALPA guy"?

If the answer is yes --- heads need to roll.
Old 08-17-2014 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
This pilot hacked the DPA website and posted negative communication.

He got caught immediately.

He called Tim Caplinger 3 separate times and offered him money to let it go.

Tim asked him to simply admit in writing what he did and who helped him and he would forgive and forget.

The pilot refused.
May one ask why TC has yet to release the evidence of hacking requested by the judge in his lawsuit?
Old 08-17-2014 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by index
3bil,

O.J. said he was innocent. What's your point?
His point (and mine) was to answer Check Essential, who stated that, if ALPA had nothing to do with this, they should say so.

Please try to keep up.

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Old 08-17-2014 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
By putting a number now on 2015 profit sharing they are treating it as a known quantity.
I respectfully disagree. By stating that the profit sharing for 2014 and 2015 are not yet known, and by adding a footnote to the 10% stating that it is an estimate, they are treating it as a conservative guess as to what may happen.

The reader (me, in this case) was left to draw his own conclusions as to the likelihood of the estimate and the desirability of placing this amount of my compensation at risk. Hopefully, the survey will give me an opportunity to express my views on that subject. If not, I will let my rep know how I feel on the subject.

Originally Posted by Mem9guy
All I am saying is that we should be comparing apples to apples with the contracts of our peers. I think we should be looking at each part of what makes up our w2 earnings and QOL as it compares to our peers, hourly rates, work rules, retirement, medical, and other bonuses. I felt that the last section of the contract comparison used profit shareing to inflate our book rates without giving the same treatment to the rates of our peer.
Agreed. Keep in mind that the document we've been discussing is the Contract History, which showed the history (duh) of our two airline pilot contracts over the past 20 years or so. I recently received the Contract Comparison (I assume we all did) that provides the comparison with our peers.
Old 08-17-2014 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
If ALPA is bottom up as you contend, why is Heidi the only presidential candidate to write to the line pilots?

Can any rep vote for Canoll or Heppner in good conscious with zero of the pilots they represent knowing they are running?
Has any candidate for ALPA president sent such campaign letters to all ALPA pilots in the past? I'm not suggesting this to be right or wrong, only that it seems a bit unusual, unless I've just not been paying enough attention during past presidential campaigns.

Too much time on Denny's balcony, I guess.
Old 08-17-2014 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
May one ask why TC has yet to release the evidence of hacking requested by the judge in his lawsuit?
It is a race, TC's supporters demand the head of a DALPA Guy before anyone publishes the fact that the DPA simply failed to administer their web site properly and in fact, nothing happened other than he DPA gave someone else the keys to their car and the someone else thought it would be funny to move it to another spot.

Meanwhile, our scope still isn't being complied with.

I give nearly zero ducks what happened to the DPA stupid web site. I care that we're not staffing 15 transatlantic flights per day on widebody equipment. I support those working to improve our contract.
Old 08-17-2014 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We can not enjoy the unity of brothers who do not wish to be ALPA members. When they step over the line of seeking to harm ALPA and harm other ALPA members, then we have a duty to protect our association and members. It is not about retribution, not at all. We always seek the restoration of members, but, it is ridiculous to have a member who is actively seeking the decertification of the association and trying to create liabilities for which the association and it's membership will be asked to pay.

Those who have left and those who have been expelled have generally wanted back in and been much better members afterwards. I have yet to vote on a membership resolution, except to welcome members back into our union. That member then went on to be a very productive volunteer who helped a lot of other pilots.
I think it's quite clear that removing DPA folks from ALPA membership has always been your goal Bar. So go right ahead and put forth such a resolution. If it passes, I won't pay a dime of dues to ALPA. Neither will the other 5,000 DPA guys. We'll all call your bluff to see if you'll push the company to terminate all of us.

When the company does not pursue termination, I'll look for the letter from ALPA urging us to rejoin ALPA for the sake of unity. Maybe they can get you to write the letter.

Look forward to your resolution Bar.

Carl
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