Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2014, 04:25 PM
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Carl,
Please re-read my post and be honest. I wrote, "when they step over the line of seeking to harm ALPA and harm other ALPA members, then we have a duty to protect our association and members."
The average frustrated ALPA member who sends in a card to "send a message" might be more emotional than rational, but they are far from intending harm. There is a clear distinction between such a malcontent and someone who files a lawsuit against other Delta pilot(s), or who leads a decertification effort during contract negotiations.
The way our union is structured and the legal environment it exists in make it very difficult for the union to avoid being exposed when a member purposely throws himself or another member under the bus with the intent of triggering a DFR claim. It is against ALPA's very inclusive nature to expel a member, but if the member is trying to kill the union and all attempts at reconciliation fail, then what would you suggest?
If the DPA has no hope of a vote, then they need to try to channel their efforts in some positive direction ... or cease existence. Using donations to sue Delta pilots is, IMHO an abuse of the money and support they have been given.
The DPA leader has spoken to the web site guy several times and should be able to easily figure out who owned the other domain. How does the DPA not know who was involved? ... and if so, why are they stringing their members along?
If you were honest with yourself and your readers, you would recall that I am always asking DPA members to get involved in the process, participate and bring forward their political agenda. We need energetic people who seek improvement in our working conditions. ALPA always needs volunteers and people to serve.
If the DPA doesn't like Capt. (insert imagined villain of the day) then your chances are much better of voting him out of office than making up false allegations and pursuing legal claims which have no basis in fact. I'm not excluding the average DPA member, but rather explaining how to actually be effective.
Please re-read my post and be honest. I wrote, "when they step over the line of seeking to harm ALPA and harm other ALPA members, then we have a duty to protect our association and members."
The average frustrated ALPA member who sends in a card to "send a message" might be more emotional than rational, but they are far from intending harm. There is a clear distinction between such a malcontent and someone who files a lawsuit against other Delta pilot(s), or who leads a decertification effort during contract negotiations.
The way our union is structured and the legal environment it exists in make it very difficult for the union to avoid being exposed when a member purposely throws himself or another member under the bus with the intent of triggering a DFR claim. It is against ALPA's very inclusive nature to expel a member, but if the member is trying to kill the union and all attempts at reconciliation fail, then what would you suggest?
If the DPA has no hope of a vote, then they need to try to channel their efforts in some positive direction ... or cease existence. Using donations to sue Delta pilots is, IMHO an abuse of the money and support they have been given.
The DPA leader has spoken to the web site guy several times and should be able to easily figure out who owned the other domain. How does the DPA not know who was involved? ... and if so, why are they stringing their members along?
If you were honest with yourself and your readers, you would recall that I am always asking DPA members to get involved in the process, participate and bring forward their political agenda. We need energetic people who seek improvement in our working conditions. ALPA always needs volunteers and people to serve.
If the DPA doesn't like Capt. (insert imagined villain of the day) then your chances are much better of voting him out of office than making up false allegations and pursuing legal claims which have no basis in fact. I'm not excluding the average DPA member, but rather explaining how to actually be effective.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 08-17-2014 at 04:51 PM.
08-17-2014, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
How do I remove your DAL reps from office as a line pilot at 9E?
08-17-2014, 05:10 PM
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Contract question:
If you have a trip (4 day in this case) on your monthly bid award that starts on the same day as your last Shadow day do you get credit for just that day or the entire trip?
My Sep schedule had a 4-day starting on the last shadow day. The trip has been removed from my schedule, and from what I can tell I'm only being credited on my Sep time card for the first day of that dropped rotation. What was showing on my line for the Sep Bid Award of an 80 hr line now shows as a 66 hr line on the iCrew time card.
There aren't a lot of options for picking up a trip on the days that were removed from my original schedule either.
Calling ALPA tomorrow, but would appreciate an informed opinion in the meantime.
(I read the PWA and I didn't see this scenario covered. From what I read it would seem to me the entire dropped trip should be credited, but that could be interpreted differently IMO.)
If you have a trip (4 day in this case) on your monthly bid award that starts on the same day as your last Shadow day do you get credit for just that day or the entire trip?
My Sep schedule had a 4-day starting on the last shadow day. The trip has been removed from my schedule, and from what I can tell I'm only being credited on my Sep time card for the first day of that dropped rotation. What was showing on my line for the Sep Bid Award of an 80 hr line now shows as a 66 hr line on the iCrew time card.
There aren't a lot of options for picking up a trip on the days that were removed from my original schedule either.Calling ALPA tomorrow, but would appreciate an informed opinion in the meantime.
(I read the PWA and I didn't see this scenario covered. From what I read it would seem to me the entire dropped trip should be credited, but that could be interpreted differently IMO.)
08-17-2014, 05:12 PM
Da Hudge
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Another question- if we convert to a new pay rate, does that kick in on the advance paycheck at the end of the previous month, or on the 15th check in the month of conversion?
08-17-2014, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
How bizarre. That is the strangest thing I ever read on APC.
08-17-2014, 05:14 PM
Da Hudge
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My opinion on the hacking stuff: Both ALPA and the DPA are making themselves look awful. Freaking sick of it.
08-17-2014, 05:18 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Alan said, if I didn't like what DALPA is doing I should vote out the reps.
08-17-2014, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
My opinion on the hacking stuff: Both ALPA and the DPA are making themselves look awful. Freaking sick of it.
08-17-2014, 05:34 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Perhaps they're wanting at this point simply to give us objective facts from which we can draw our own conclusions?
A swing and a miss, Alan.
08-17-2014, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Alan said, if I didn't like what DALPA is doing I should vote out the reps.
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